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Monday, 26 May 2025

An Irish erratic near Cardigan?

 


I found this small erratic of Carboniferous Limestone in the Irish Sea till at Gwbert, near Cardigan, today.  It has two beautiful brachiopod fossils in it, and as befits a far-travelled stone its surface is covered in striations.  

Where has it come from?  The best bet is that it has come from somewhere in central Ireland, and limestones rich in braciopods seem to be especially common in the Burren area on the west coast.  Here is an example:


However, from what we know of past iceflow directions, a source somewhere near Dublin seems more likely:

Geological map opf Ireland -- the light blue tint shows the area of Carboniferous Limestone outcrops.




If the erratic really did come from Ireland, there must have been much more mixing of ice streams and erratic material in the Cardigan Bay -- St Georges Channel area than has been previously recognized............

We also have to consider Anglesey and the  North Wales coast as source areas, although the outcrops there are of very limited extent.  This is from the GeoMon Global Geopark web site:

.............highly fossiliferous limestones outcrop all long the east coast southwards from Lligwy to Penmon [and along the coast of North Wales from the Great Orme to Prestatyn]. These rocks were laid down in cycles as the sea transgressed and retreated as many as 11 times over North Wales. On Anglesey, only four of these cycles, which consist of limestone followed by sandy beds and then mudstone were deposited. The rocks are rich in brachiopods and corals and often exhibit palaeokarstic surfaces and rarer sandstone pipes.

An Anglesey origin for the erratic is, on balance, most likely since this accords most closely with the ice flow pattern shown on the map above.

An interesting dilemma.........






11 comments:

Tom Flowers said...

At last, an accurate scaling system. Tell archaeologists!

BRIAN JOHN said...

I don't claim any great virtue on this, Tom. More often than not, I forget to bring my tape measure when I am out in the field, or simply forget to use it........

Tony Hinchliffe said...

Trust I will eventually 👍 confirm rumours of a 6 inch (15 cms) piece of bluestone found somewhere on Salisbury Plain......

Tony Hinchliffe said...

Time Team's Phil Harding has confirmed he saw the piece of bluestone mentioned in my previous comment. I continue to try to find out where it is now.

Tony Hinchliffe said...

Looking at your bottom map, showing the south west of England and Wales, and in particular the area approaching Bath and Wiltshire, reminds me of the Blog Post "The Avon Ice Lobe", 19th August 2014. This has a photograph of the ( now destroyed) Hampton Rocks which were at approx NGR 779666. It was where the Bath - Swindon - London rail line separates from the Bath - Bradford on Avon - Warminster - Southampton line. (continued).

Martin Bates said...

Hi Brian. My Dad suggests Angelsey or Isle of Mann as possible sources?

Tony Hinchliffe said...

That photograph of Hampton Rocks is very old and is also unsurprisingly captioned " Bath in Time". The GCR volume map names this feature "Hampton Rocks Cutting". There was discussion as to which direction the glaciation has come from on that Blog Post. I live not far away, and notice that this Post, also that dated 18th December 2009, refer to the Newton St Loe glaciation feature too. We regularly proceed towards Bristol past Newton St Loe. Thus, these two areas of glaciation are noteworthy for overall consideration: Stonehenge is less than 30 miles away.I wonder whether Mike Parker Pearson realises? Is his ruling hypothesis on shaky ground?

BRIAN JOHN said...

Yes Martin -- distinctly possible.

BRIAN JOHN said...

Well, MPP's ruling hypothesis has always been on shaky ground. The Hampton Rocks site has been much disputed, but Kellaway was very convinced of the evidence for an ancient glaciation.

Tony Hinchliffe said...

Haven't the Bathampton Down glacial features confirmed glaciation occurred that may have then proceeded towards Salisbury Plain?

BRIAN JOHN said...

They too are very subtle and very degraded. Suggestive of very ancient glacial deposits largely destyroyed by thr passage of time.....