How much do we know about Stonehenge? Less than we think. And what has Stonehenge got to do with the Ice Age? More than we might think. This blog is mostly devoted to the problems of where the Stonehenge bluestones came from, and how they got from their source areas to the monument. Now and then I will muse on related Stonehenge topics which have an Ice Age dimension...
Some of the ideas discussed in this blog are published in my new book called "The Stonehenge Bluestones" -- available by post and through good bookshops everywhere. Bad bookshops might not have it....
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Sunday, 5 October 2025
The Nordvestfjord "bench"
Saturday, 4 October 2025
Nordvestfjord -- a new image
There is enormous detail -- click to enlarge.
Nordvestfjord middle reaches
J. A. DOWDESWELL, C. L. BATCHELOR, K. A. HOGAN & H.-W. SCHENKE
The fjord walls on the west side of this outer zone are steeper than in the inner zone, and are sustantially more broken up as a result of complex interactions between the main Nordvestfjord glacier and abundant tributary glaciers flowing from ice caps and from smaller "alpine" glacier catchments.
Here we see the same area as featured at the head of this post.
Asymmetric cross profile of Nordvestfjord trough are clearly seen in the middle section.
This photo shoes the various elements in Gåseland. The photo below shows Nordvestfjord, in its middle section:
Friday, 3 October 2025
How old are the South Wales caves?
This is an interesting paper, aimed largely at the book by Prof Peter Kokelaar in which he argues that some of the caves on Gower are very old indeed. Faulkner takes the view that the caves are very recent, formed very largely during the "wastage"phases of the Anglian and Devensian glaciations. So how convincing are his arguments?
Quaternary deglacial speleogenesis on the Gower Peninsula, South Wales, UK
Conference Paper · August 2025
19th International Congress of Speleology, 20-27 July 2025
At: Belo Horizonte, Brazil, Volume: 2, pp202-207
Renewed interest in the caves of the Gower Peninsula of southern Wales was sparked by the recent re-opening of Llethryd Swallet, the dis-covery of several other significant caves, and a new book. The latter proposes that the local water supplies are derived from precipitation falling on Gower, rather than from the northern limb of limestone in the South Wales Coalfield Syncline. However, claims are made that some of the existing caves are older than ten million years. This paper offers a simpler hypothesis, from considerations of cave passage sizes, morphologies and lacustrine sediments and of surface deposits at the southern coast. The caves remaining on Gower were probably initially developed during the deglaciations of the Anglian and/or Devensian icesheets. In particular, the Llethryd Swallet−Tooth Cave system was likely initiated by phreatic dissolution during the Anglian deglaciation, when an annular ice-dammed lake surrounded Cefn Bryn and perhaps extended eastwards beyond Hunts Bay, before collapsing at a jökulhlaup. Further development by vadose entrenchment, plus phreatic dissolution at lower levels, occurred during the subsequent interglacials, with renewed phreatic enlargement by similar processes during the Devensian deglaciation.
Thursday, 2 October 2025
The strange case of the earth scientists who look but do not see
In the latest tirade against the glacial transport hypothesis, there is a systematic attempt to diminish or ignore the effects of natural processes in the Quaternary environment. This is really rather bizarre, given that several of the authors (Ixer, Bevins, Pearce and Scourse) are earth scientists. For example, they refer to the Newall Boulder as a "joint controlled block" or as a "broken joint block" and pretend that all of the surface features which make it rather interesting can be explained by natural weathering processes within the last 5,000 years or so. They also argue against glacial processes operating on the south shore of the Bristol Channel, and seem intent upon maintaining a convoluted and highly unreliable argument that the large erratics in the shore zone are all ice-rafted. That flies in the face of evidence from Paul Madgett, Paul Berry and others who have recorded erratics well above the shore zone in the Saunton and Croyde area up to an altitide of c 80m.
Bennett, J. A., Cullingford, R. A., Gibbard, P. L., Hughes, P. D., & Murton, J. B. (2024). The Quaternary Geology of Devon. Proceedings of the Ussher Society, 15, 84-130.
https://ussher.org.uk/wp- content/uploads/benettetal1584130v2.pdf
In the studies of the so-called quarries at Rhosyfelin and Carn Goedog there are hardly any mentions of the Quaternary stratigraphic sequence or of natural rockfalls, scree accumulation and glacial erosional and depositional features. The features described are simply assumed to be man-made, without any serious consideration of natural processes. The two 2015 articles written by my colleagues Dyfed Alis-Gruffydd and John Downes have been systematically ignored for a decade without a single citation from Ixer, Bevins and Co.
It is really quite concerning that three of the authors of the recent "distant sources" article (Bevins, Pearce and Ixer) are geologists, and that they appear to be fully signed up to a ruling hypothesis that completely denies any role for natural processes in the movement of stones in areas known to have been heavily glaciated on several occasions. How weird is that?
It gets even more bizarre when you realise that both Ixer and Bevins have themselves been involved in glacial erratic studies -- Ixer in regard to the erratics found and publicised in the Birmingham area in the last few years, and Bevins in the study of the Storrie Collection of erratics found in Pencoed, near Bridgend. Perhaps both of them suffer from some strange ailment which manifests itself in the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing?
Friday, 26 September 2025
Oolitic Limestone slabs used in West Kennet Long Barrow
Here is some info:
https://reports.cotswoldarchaeology.co.uk/content/uploads/2018/01/Binder1.pdf
I have in the past cast serious doubt on some of the more excitable claims made for the transport of raw materials used in the construction of Newgrange -- and I have noted that the somewhat imaginative reconstruction of said monument caused a considerable stir at the time.
There is a similar issue at West Kennet -- and of particular interest is the discovery of about a tonne of small Oolitic Limestone slabs, assumed to have come either from near Calne or near Frome. Apparently the slabs were very rotten when they were exposed during the digs by Piggott and others, and were replaced with a tonne of nice shiny new slabs in the 1950's by those who wanted to preserve the site for posterity. The work included the installation of a nice skylight.
Apparently the barrow was rebuilt significantly above its original level using new (imported) and relocated stones. Concerns at the time included a lack of clear guidance from the original excavators, the omission of the original stone numbering system, and questions about whether the stones were returned to their true original positions, raising doubts about the accuracy and integrity of the restored structure.Now here is a question. How long does it take for a slab of Oolitic Limestone to rot away and lose its coherence?
Wednesday, 24 September 2025
Very spotty spotted dolerite
This is the memorial stone to WR Evans, located at Glynsaethmaen, on the south side of the main Preseli ridge. It has been bashed about and sand blasted, so we can't say anything about its shape, except that it has been used as a gatepost before being donated for use as a memorial stone. Note the weathering patina on the lower part of the front. This may have formed over recent decades, assisted by the presence of a rusty broken gate hanging bolt.........
The stone is VERY spotty -- and it is most likely to have come from Carn Meini -- this tor was used in historic time as a nice source for gateposts.
Thanks to Hugh Thomas for the pic of a broken metal pin or chisel in a crack up on Carn Meini. Rock -- spotted dolerite. Presumably a trace of an attempt by a local farmer to extract a nice handy gatepost, back in the day..........
Bevins et al, 2025: more about that very silly rant
To continue where I left off in my short programme of correcting the "corrections".............
8. Salisbury Plain and the distribution of bluestone fragments
Bevins et al claim that bluestone has not been found on Sallisbury Plain, except within 4 km of Stonehenge. They are being very economical with the truth. For a start, we must question what they mean by "bluestone", noting that they choose to ignore any fragments which they consider inconvenient and which have no known relationship with bluestone monoliths. As noted by Kellaway and Thorpe et al, many years ago, there are many finds of small fragments more than 4 km from Stonehenge. Ixer, Bevins and others have themselves investigated the fragments of a granidiorite boulder (or several?) found near West Kennet, Avebury. and that's not all. Watch this space for future postings.
It may well be that no large bluestone boulders have been found away from Stonehenge on Salisbury Plain, but it is disingenuous to compare them with the relative frequency of sarsen boulder occurrences, since the latter are essentially indigenous, having been let down onto the chalklands from a broken silcrete crust over a period of many millions of years.
The Boles Barrow bluestone boulder, found close to the edge of Salisbury Plain, does in my view count as a broken glacial erratic in view of its shape, it weathering characteristics and its find location. But I acknowledge that this view is hotly contested! The boulder's origins and status have been debated for decades, and this is not the place for further argument. Suffice to say that some authorities believe that the boulder was used more or less where found, near Heytesbury, while others think it came from Stonehenge and has been mislabelled and misinterpreted by one generation after another..... Use the search box on this blog to find out more.
https://brian-mountainman.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-boles-barrow-bluestone-too.html
As regards the field walking survey by McOmish and others inside the firing ranges, it is a moot point whether we should consider these to be "investigations" as the term is normally understood. During a field walking exercise in grass covered terrain, and given the close similarities in appearance between dolerite cobbles and sarsen cobbles, I defy anybody to claim that there are "no bluestone fragments or stones inside the firing ranges."
I dispute the claim that "no erratics occur within the Pleistocene gravels of the rivers draining Salisbury Plain". Bevins et al cannot say that. True, Christopher Green made that claim, and it has been repeated by Scourse and Parker Pearson, but I do not believe that the research data collected backs up the claim, as outlined in a number of posts on this blog.
https://brian-mountainman.blogspot.com/2010/04/gravels-pebbles-and-bluestones.html
I have never doubted that in the vicinity of the stone monument at Stonehenge there are abundant fragments and chippings derived from the shaping and destruction of bluestone monoliths, and it is disingenuous of Bevins et al to make accusations against me on that score. I maintain my view that SOME of the fragments do not appear to be fresh and angular, and that these MIGHT have been affected by glacial transport. To claim that ALL of the fragments "undoubtedly" derive from human shaping and breaking of monoliths is patently absurd. Further, I am accused of not knowing the difference between a Neolithic and a Palaeolithic axe. I simply referred in my 2024 article to the possible shaping of the Newall Boulder by "an axe maker", and any sensible reader would have understood that I was talking Palaeolithic, not Neolithic. The silly rant continues to be very foolish indeed.........
The sterile string of accusations goes on and on, with abundant speculations from Bevins et al dressed up as facts. Their text on page 11 is complacent in the extreme. The degree of certainty claimed by the authors of the rant is almost touching in its naivety, and they seem to be incapable of recognizing that the date of use of the bluestonhes at Stonehenge is not necessarily the same as the date of arrival of the stones on Salisbury Plain. They also fail to recognise that the labelling of layers exposed in Stonehenge excavations incorporates the assumption that no bluestone fragments can possibly exist in layers that are deemed to be older than the Bronze age. In Cleal et al (1995) there are a number of interesting and "anomalous" occurrences which suggest circular reasoning. In my view there are bluestone fragment occurrences in layers that pre-date the supposed date of bluestone arrival.........
Finally in this section, Bevins et al seek to deny my contention that the majority of bluestones at Stonehenge are clearly not quarried. Some of them, especially those in the bluestone horseshoe, have been shaped by human beings -- but most are in my view typical faceted and abraded glacial erratics picked up and used without modification. Bevins et al, as usual with this group of researchers, simply slide away and fail to confront this issue. Then they make another obvious mistake when they claim that the sarsens are also weathered with rounded edges -- claiming that in this respect they are no different from the bluestones. There is in fact a huge difference. The sarsens have been exposed to the elements for millions of years, whereas the bluestones have been exposed for maybe 200,000 - 300,000 years. Maybe much less. To be determined. To pretend that the sarsens and the bluestones have acquired their weathering crusts and smoothed edges within the last 5,000 years or so is to completely misunderstand the operation of natural processes in the environment.
9. The archaeological context.
This is where it gets really interesting, as we enter a fantasy world. Contrary to the claim made by Bevins et al, I have never argued that the bluestones were used at Stonehenge without being transported by humans. It is self-evident that they were collected and carried to the places where they were incorporated into the stone monument. My argument has always been that human beings were vanishingly unlikely ever to have transported the stones all the way from West Wales to Stonehenge, and that they were collected up and used having been found a short and convenient distance away. I also maintain my argument that the discovery of the bluestones in a cluster might have determined the location of the monument -- just as many authors have suggested for other megalithic structures elsewhere in the British isles.
The authors of the rant argue that the finds of "foreign" fragments and larger stones at West Kennet and elsewhere confirm "a tradition of far-flung human contact" which is also confirmed by the trading of axe-heads etc. That is one view. Another, proposed by Thorpe et al back in 1991 and by others since, is that Stonbehenge itself was used as a quarry for raw materials in the manufacture of implements. As for the altar Stone and its supposed origin in the Orcadian Basin of Scotland, the least we can say is that the jury is still out.........
Bevins et al do recognize that many of the stones used in British megalithic structures might be glacial erratics. I accept that in Brittany and elsewhere very large monoliths appear to have been moved several km from their supposed places of origin, but I do not accept the argument that "because they did wonderful things there, they also did them here." That is supposition, not evidence. We need the latter.
The claim that there was long-distance transport of "large and small stones" from as much as 80 km away for the building of the passage tombs of Newgrange and Knowth looks very shaky when the evidence is carefully scrutinised. And when we come to the "very strong" evidence of quarrying of bluesone monoliths at Rhosyfelin and Carn Goedog, I fundamentally disagree with all of the fanciful identifications of "engineering features." They are all natural features, misinterpreted by a team of people who have needed to find quarries in furtherance of their Stonehenge bluestone narrative. Bevins et al cite Parker Pearson et al (2019 and 2022), but they fail to cite the following articles in peer-reviewed journals which comprehensively dismiss the quarrying narrative:
Brian John, Dyfed Elis-Gruffydd and John Downes (2015). "Quaternary Events at Craig Rhosyfelin, Pembrokeshire." Quaternary Newsletter, October 2015 (No 137), pp 16-32.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283643851_QUATERNARY_EVENTS_AT_CRAIG_RHOSYFELIN_PEMBROKESHIRE
Brian John, Dyfed Elis-Gruffydd and John Downes (2015). "Observations on the supposed "Neolithic bluestone quarry" at Craig Rhosyfelin, Pembrokeshire". Archaeology in Wales 54, pp 139-148. (Publication 14th December 2015)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286775899_OBSERVATIONS_ON_THE_SUPPOSED_NEOLITHIC_BLUESTONE_QUARRY_AT_CRAIG_RHOSYFELIN_PEMBROKESHIRE
To claim that heavy capstones on cromlechs or portal dolmens in West Wales provide evidence of "haulage technology" is patently absurd, since the ability to raise a large stone with levers and blocks does nothing to support the hypothesis of long-distance haulage over rough and difficult terrain. In fact, cromlechs like Pentre Ifan, Coetan Arthur and Carreg Samson demonstrate that Bevins et al are fundamentally at fault since the capstones, as far as I can see, were all obtained from the immediate neighbourhood of the chosen site.
In the convoluted argument on p 13 about the trading networks of Britain in Neolithic times, I fundamentally disagree with the claim that the transport of 80 or so bluestones from West Wales "special sites" to Stonehenge would have been relatively easy. Further, I can see no evidence at all that Stonehenge was a special destination for anything -- and as Gordon Barclay and Kenny Brophy have argued, the idea that Stonehenge was a centre of political unification has more to do with a fantasy narrative than it has to do with hard evidence on the ground.
Contrary to the claim of Bevins et al, I have never argued that bluestones from assorted dolerite and rhyolite outcrops have never been used in local megalithic structures. What I have said is that I can see no evidence that rhyolite and dolerite from particular places were ever considered to be "special" -- and of course this has a bearing on the quarrying hypothesis. If rhyolite was used in the Early Bronze Age kerb cairn at Pensarn, that does not mean it was special or highly valued. It simply means that it was local and abundant.
As regards Bedd yr Afanc tomb, the fact that it lies close to Rhosyfelin and spotted dolerite outcrops is of no significance whatsoever. It was built of a mottley collection of stones, all simply picked up from a local erratic scatter. They were not "brought" from anywhere significant, and to suggest otherwise is simply to add yet another fanciful component to an already extraordinary and eccentric narrative.
The final part of the article by Bevins et al expands the fanciful narrative even further, based upon the fantasy that the Preseli area was either a "marshalling area" for bluestones intended for Stonehenge, or for the construction of multiple monuments (including several stone circles) such as the "giant stone circle" at Waun Mawn or a "dismantled stone circle" near Crosswell. Waun Mawn has been comprehensively dismissed as a site of any Neolithic importance, and there is no evidence of any link with Stonehenge. Bevins et al fail to address any of the issues raised in my Waun Mawn article published in 2024:
John, B.S. 2024. The Stonehenge bluestones did not come from Waun Mawn in West Wales. The Holocene, 20 March 2024 (published online), 13 pp.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379121966_The_Stonehenge_bluestones_did_not_come_from_Waun_Mawn_in_West_Wales
These are the two papers that are obsessively cited in the article by Bevins et al:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381205542_A_bluestone_boulder_at_Stonehenge_implications_for_the_glacial_transport_theory
John, B.S. 2024. An Igneous Erratic at Limeslade, Gower & the Glaciation of the Bristol Channel. Quaternary Newsletter 162, 28 June 2024, pp 4 - 14.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381775577_Quaternary_Newsletter_Article_AN_IGNEOUS_ERRATIC_AT_LIMESLADE_GOWER_AND_THE_GLACIATION_OF_THE_BRISTOL_CHANNEL
Tuesday, 23 September 2025
Bevins et al, 2025: a very silly rant
This is the article:
Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports, Volume 66, 2025, 105303,
ISSN 2352-409X,
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jasrep.2025.105303.
Tuesday, 16 September 2025
Glacial deposits and lead isotope signatures
One of the most perceptive comments comes from Prof David Evans from my old Geography Dept (in Durham University). David points out that the lead isoscape map (or any other isoscape map, for that matter) cannot be deemed to be at all accurate unless it is based on the analyses of samples taken from superficial deposits such as till or glaciofluvial sands and gravels. As far as we can see, the samples used in the creation of the "lead isoscape map" have been taken exclusively or largely from lead ores found in quarries, mines or surface spoil, or from bedrock outcrops. The texts of the key papers hardly mention superficial deposits at all, and the underlying source for the map is the solid geology map of Great Britain. Hence we have mentions of assorted geological provinces that coincide with Mesozoic, Upper Palaeozoic and Lower Palaeozoic domains......
This is a very strange state of affairs, since on the other side of the North Sea related studies are concerned not with solid geology and rock outcrops but with the distribution of superficial deposits. If you are trying to trace where grazing animals might have spent part of their lives, you have to accept that the prime isotopic signature features will have come not from bedrock but from the nature and thickness of the superficial deposits on the grazing route.
In a study of the grazing animals associated with the Viking settlement of Birka in Sweden, the researchers used a regional map of superficial deposits in seeking to find signature matches and animal provenances. They discovered that some animals had travelled from grazing areas c 180 km away.
Walking commodities: A multi-isotopic approach (δ13C, δ15N, δ34S, 14C and 87/86Sr) to trace the animal economy of the Viking Age town of Birka
Nicoline Schjerven et al
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X24001718?via%3Dihub
Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports
Volume 56, June 2024, 104543
ln a study of strontium and other isotope signatures in the Netherlands, the authors ignored the bedrock geology map and concentrated entirely on the isotope signatures of the main groups of superficial deposits including glacial till. They stated that because much of the Netherlands is composed of relatively young glacial and river deposits, the strontium isotope ratios are determined primarily by surface sediments, not the underlying ancient bedrock.
It is strange that the British paper by Evans et al makes no mention of superficial deposits, since the lead author (Prof Jane Evans) was a co-author of several of the key papers relating to other countries that have been heavily glaciated.........
At this point it needs to be pointed out that for lead isotope studies it can be accepted that grazing animals will consume (deliberately or accidentally) small quantities of soil, mud and dust that are derived largely from underlying sediments. By and large, these materials will not have come from bedrock which may be buried beneath sediments many metres thick. It would be disingenuous to pretend that "ingested mineral materials" should be discounted because they might be contaminated as a result of industrialisation over the past few centuries. If they are good enough to be used in studies in Sweden, the Netherlands and elsewhere, they are good enough for the British Isles.
So the map that should. have been used as the base map for the lead isoscape studies is th one above, showing generlised ice movement directions and the distribution of glacial sediments. Both till and glaciofluvial sediments are made of rock debris derived from areas overridden by glacier ice. By looking at the established maps of iceflow it is possible to draw conclusions on what "inherited signatures" there might be. Thus the glacial tills around the Bristol Channel should carry an inherited isotopic signature from Lower Palaeozoic rocks situated upstream. The tills of the English West Midlands will contain inherited isotopic signatures from the Welsh uplands and from the Pennines, and perhaps from even further afield. The tills of the Oxford region were generated by "Northern ice" and will contain inherited signatures from the Pennines. The tills of the East Midlands will contain inherited signatures from NE England and maybe even further afield.
To summarise, the geological maps of superficial deposits show that the published contour lines between adjacent "isoscape" regions have almost everywhere been drawn in the wrong positions. Broadly, ice movement directions show that bedrock-derived debris has been moved southwards, leading to "inherited signatures" some distance from the bedrock lead sources. The bio-availability of isotopes is therefore misrepresented in maps such as this:
It follows that there may be many more potential source areas for the "Stonehenge cattle tooth" than those considered by the authors of the published article. The suggestion that the cow that owned the tooth came from SW Wales is completely unsupported by hard evidence. It is much more likely that it came from the Cotswolds or the Thames Valley.
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See also
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12173513/
Strontium isoscapes for provenance, mobility and migration: the way forwardMaximilian J Spies et al
R Soc Open Sci. 2025 Jun 18;12(6):250283
Proceedings of the Geologists' Association, Volume 126, Issues 4–5, October 2015, Pages 608-632
Steve Booth, Jon Merritt, James Rose
Thursday, 11 September 2025
The Mynydd Melyn moraine?
Out doing a bit of exploring today -- and I think I may have found the traces of a morainic ridge at around 900 ft on the southern flank of the Mynydd Melyn summit. It's not very obvious on the ground, but there is a distinct linear accumulation of erratic boulders in a field adjacent to the road. There is a "gravel pit" marked on the map, but it cannot have been uised for gravel -- for stone building materials, mopre likely......
I will go back and explore the feature in more detail when the weather is more auspicious.
Now that Mynydd Dinas is our local mountain, rather than Carningli, I have a lot of exploring to do. I am more and more convinced, from the appearance of the ground surface and the wide rolling plateau surface, that this was a perfect location for the establishment of a small ice cap at various stages during the Quaternary.
Just to the south of the map reproduced above are the famous Russia Stones, which I have featured in earlier posts.
How reliable is the BGS lead isoscape map?
Quite apart from the issue of proposing -- on the basis of extremely thin evidence -- that the famous cattle tooth found at Stonehenge came from Pembrokeshire, there is the question of the reliability of the lead "isoscape" map published by BGS, used by Evans et al, and assumed to be accurate. But how accurate is it?
It comes from an article by Jane Evans and others published in PLOS ONE journal in 2022. Here is a quote from the recent tooth article:
The variation in Pb isotopes across Britain is based on lead mineralization and the isotope composition is related to the timing of major tectonic events. This provides a broad-brush subdivision of Britain into three major Pb tectonic zones with the addition of Chalk/Limestone as a fourth zone (Evans et al., 2022b). The applicability of these rock and mineral zones to biological tracking is in its infancy and factors such as seawater/rainwater contributions are not yet assessed.1. An IDW map is highly unreliable in areas with a low density of sample points. The method's core assumption—that local influence is the dominant factor—breaks down when there aren't enough local points to provide a meaningful average.
2. In areas with sparse data, such as South Wales, the prediction is essentially a guess, and you have no way of knowing how much you can trust it.