tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post7826711600224003576..comments2024-03-28T22:13:17.139+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: The Middle Neolithic Population UpheavalBRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-79776077611375554072013-06-25T20:33:18.275+01:002013-06-25T20:33:18.275+01:00Chris -- fishing in the Baltic is not quite that h...Chris -- fishing in the Baltic is not quite that haphazard. I do it all the time. I know where to put the nets and when, and which nets are best for the fish we want to catch (mostly perch) -- others who do not have that local knowledge could spend a lot of time trying to catch fish, but end up going hungry.....BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-55012115465479738372013-06-05T08:40:09.553+01:002013-06-05T08:40:09.553+01:00Here's a bit more on the Prototype trials:
S...Here's a bit more on the Prototype trials: <br /><b><br /><a href="http://heavenshenge.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/full-prototype-test-of-stonehenge-model.html" rel="nofollow">Stonehenge: Prototype Test Runs</a></b>Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-547443734095110672013-05-14T07:48:34.487+01:002013-05-14T07:48:34.487+01:00Fishing does not have to involve a lot of faf. A ...Fishing does not have to involve a lot of faf. A couple of summers back a friend dropped a short net into the Baltic sea near Stockholm and next morning he had caught enough fish to feed a barbecue for 15 people.<br /><br />Fishing is not as reliable as herding for day-in day-out sustenance but it would be tempting surely to feast occasionally on trout and salmon unless it was taboo.<br /><br />The uniformity of the archaeologic record in many locations seems to indicate a strong cultural consensus.chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-52238124401912485152013-05-14T07:06:31.525+01:002013-05-14T07:06:31.525+01:00Thanks Tony
I'll see if she's interested....Thanks Tony<br /><br />I'll see if she's interested. Avebury falls into the same 'group' as Stonehenge, so it might pique the NTs curiosity.Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-67320031333329645962013-05-14T00:57:30.424+01:002013-05-14T00:57:30.424+01:00 All the faf involved in fishing?
The alternativ... All the faf involved in fishing?<br /> The alternatives were probably more labour intensive. What is intriguing is that the Mendip findings were typical for freshwater and coastal areas for millenia .geocurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-7772271253992941792013-05-13T20:59:42.362+01:002013-05-13T20:59:42.362+01:00Studies of human remains found in Mendip caves de...Studies of human remains found in Mendip caves demonstrate a largely terrestrial diet; despite the close proximity of the coast <4km.<br />This suggests that adequate food sources were available locally, negating all of the faf involved in fishing. Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-76405945893641735362013-05-13T16:28:25.562+01:002013-05-13T16:28:25.562+01:00Jon
Your ideas and novel writing sound fascinatin...Jon<br /><br />Your ideas and novel writing sound fascinating and I must properly find time for those.<br /><br />In the meantime, sorry to hear about your Mum - mums are vitally important in the great scheme of life. <br /><br />You may find it worthwhile to check out, if you don't already know her, details of Dr Nick Snashall. She is a National Trust archaeologist for the Stonehenge & Avebury World Heritage Site, but is also known as Nicola Ford, crime thriller writer. I have met her several times at Avebury whilst working as a N.T. Museum volunteer. Her website is:-<br /><br />http://www.nicolaford.com/<br /><br />She leads walks in the Greater Avebury & Stonehenge landscapes, and holds workshops, both via the National Trust.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-53400838461594647852013-05-12T10:19:48.736+01:002013-05-12T10:19:48.736+01:00 Sorry to hear about your Mum, Jon .
No rush wit... Sorry to hear about your Mum, Jon .<br /> No rush with the other stuff . geocurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-68023889777992624112013-05-11T19:58:16.326+01:002013-05-11T19:58:16.326+01:00Hi George
The first novel introduced a lot of con...Hi George<br /><br />The first novel introduced a lot of concepts that relate to both Stonehenge and the rest, so Knowth is the place I'd use because it contains every single descriptive drawing that I need to explain the ideas. The reasoning for other nearby monuments is then automatically generated, together with Knowth itself, as part of that logic. <br /><br />If I was going to try to do a second 'Solving', it would be a bit more tricky, because I'd have to introduce some of the concepts from the novel which were not covered. I did plan to do this, which is why Solving is labeled as 'Volume 1', but not sure when I'll get round to writing this up now. When we last spoke about these drawings, I thought it would only be a year or two before I ran it by you. Since then, my work-load has gone up a lot (and mum's not well).<br /><br />JonJon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-42410842047698823862013-05-11T12:28:48.603+01:002013-05-11T12:28:48.603+01:00Jon ,what carvings show the "concern " ...Jon ,what carvings show the "concern " ?geocurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-68714652981447246842013-05-11T09:59:18.173+01:002013-05-11T09:59:18.173+01:00OK. I'll try an re-phrase it: The hypothesis i...OK. I'll try an re-phrase it: The hypothesis is that Stonehenge is a working geocentric model of their Universe. It's in the book if you want to go through the idea. If there is anything to this hypothesis, then it's really simple to develop a theory of why they would bother to build some types of monuments and show how this would eventually lead to a Stonehenge.<br /><br />Essentially this is an environmental concern, but 'environmental' covers a lot of ground: It isn't a concern that you or I would recognise today because our world-view is very different. This concern, (though “Fear” would be a better word), appears to have very early monuments which are constructed to address the concern. Some monuments appear to have carvings which describe the concern in a pictorial form.<br /><br />But getting funding to investigate anything new will be difficult in the current economic climate, so there's a series of steps that I think have to be followed to allow the best chance of it being investigated and/or published.<br /><br />If the geocentric theory (for Stonehenge) gets little interest, then the “Fear” will make a marvelous basis for a novel, not least because the characters can go to the places and describe everything using real neolithic drawings. But I really doubt it would make sense to try to capture a niche readership concerned about the environment (if we're still worried about the environment by the time I get round to it).Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34759853828576420012013-05-10T21:46:25.472+01:002013-05-10T21:46:25.472+01:00Jon,
Be assured I read all the replies not once, ...Jon,<br /><br />Be assured I read all the replies not once, but several times. What is said is not always what is understood. Thus the need for dialog.<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-13211085706183379522013-05-10T19:26:04.462+01:002013-05-10T19:26:04.462+01:00Kostas, if you don't read the replies that you...Kostas, if you don't read the replies that you are responding to, it makes you appear to have no interest in what others are saying.<br />Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-571274926475374352013-05-10T15:08:29.416+01:002013-05-10T15:08:29.416+01:00Jon,
What Neolithic “environmental concerns”? By ...Jon,<br /><br />What Neolithic “environmental concerns”? By whom? And how can we know that? Was Stonehenge built to “ward off” the bad weather? Or to “celebrate” the sun? Such theory would certainly rival MPP's “the Avenue Stripes did it” theory. And it would be as much made up!<br /><br />But if you are talking about a “marketing strategy” to capture a niche readership concerned about the environment, this makes good sense. But make it entertaining!<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34428862444896482342013-05-10T10:20:58.386+01:002013-05-10T10:20:58.386+01:00Thanks Tony. Yes, I took a look, but mostly looked...Thanks Tony. Yes, I took a look, but mostly looked at his theories to see if the sequence would support or invalidate what he's already put in writing. His ideas are firmly in the support category, so there's no potential conflict. Difficult all this political stuff.<br /><br />Ireland is also a bit tricky: Getting access isn't easy. However, they haven't said no, which came as a but of a surprise: I watched a TV program about it which said that all access was strictly forbidden.Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-91592147369904948082013-05-10T10:03:58.937+01:002013-05-10T10:03:58.937+01:00Are you saying Stonehenge was built because of “en...<i>Are you saying Stonehenge was built because of “environmental concerns”? Am I understanding you right? How so! Please explain …</i><br /><br />Yes. That's correct; though Stonehenge is rather abstract compared to the others. But I can't see how an archaeologist would get funding to investigate this sort of thing unless he/she had some form of monopoly control. If I were to say what it's all about on a website, then any chance of passing over control to get funding (to find out if any of this is true) would be gone. <br /><br />So I've tried to hold back a certain amount of it under confidentiality using the ploy of it being patent pending: Stonehenge's structure is, technically, patent pending and due for examination in the next month or two, but I wrote the claims of those two applications very narrowly so that there would be little commercial value behind them.Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-11601644556063563302013-05-10T09:26:01.120+01:002013-05-10T09:26:01.120+01:00Jon
You may already know, but it might be worth y...Jon<br /><br />You may already know, but it might be worth your while trawling through Tim Darvill's research interests. He appears to me to be a serious Neolithic scholar for most of his academic life, certainly for England and Wales, not so sure about Ireland, but by the very nature of the studies of the Neolithic, he probably is well versed in Irish Neolithic matters. Also, he's constructed an on-line comprehensive list of research studies by all and sundry related to Stonehenge & its greater landscape.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-16365569339349402682013-05-10T00:42:05.548+01:002013-05-10T00:42:05.548+01:00Jon,
Are you saying Stonehenge was built because ...Jon,<br /><br />Are you saying Stonehenge was built because of <i>“environmental concerns”?</i> Am I understanding you right? How so! Please explain …<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-63260746154140979572013-05-09T21:20:57.157+01:002013-05-09T21:20:57.157+01:00Hi Tony.
You could be right, but the ordinary ma...Hi Tony. <br /><br />You could be right, but the ordinary market (journals and so on) will not publish on this subject unless ideas are supported by, or come from, an archaeologist: If there's serious interest in the late stage stuff (ie Stonehenge), I'll definitely move the others up on the 'to do' list.<br /><br />Tim Darvill wrote to say that he agrees with some of the basic hypothesis (on the Stonehenge side) so I recently wrote back to say that there is a little more to it than just Stonehenge. However, the most interesting antecedent monuments, those which appear to have evidence of an environmental concern and a subsequent reasoning which would eventually lead to the construction of Stonehenge, are all in Ireland; so it may not fall into his area of interest.<br /><br />JonJon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34530358016662881732013-05-09T18:09:45.428+01:002013-05-09T18:09:45.428+01:00Jon
"there's a very limited market for t...Jon<br /><br />"there's a very limited market for this sort of thing though" [speaking of possible environmental concerns in prehistoric days, leading to monumental constructions]<br /><br />On the contrary, Jon, I would suggest that,amongst the younger generation, there would be a very large market for "a plausible environmental explanation", because of what the younger (and I include myself in this!) generation faces, with the melting of the icecaps and glaciers before our very eyes, often on Brian's Blog Posts.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34298078143391165642013-05-09T16:00:00.034+01:002013-05-09T16:00:00.034+01:00Tony/Jon,
Analogies are fine. I use them all the ...Tony/Jon,<br /><br />Analogies are fine. I use them all the time. Here, the comparison is between climate, population size and public works. And the point I am making is technology has to be thrown in that mix. And I claim neither technology nor the population size or environmental conditions (as this new study argues) favored the building of so many (thousands) of prehistoric monuments.<br /><br />So, in my view, Tony's Medieval example just does not measure up to anything. Nor examples from any other periods, like Egypt and Easter Island. While Gobekli Tepe is totally flawed and mistaken.<br /><br />And to argue modern men can do the work with primitive tools is a false comparison. Unless we believe human capabilities are encoded in human DNA. And not dependent and emergent in Civilization. Such a view, I feel, has a corrupting effect on our intelligence as a people and on the importance of Culture.<br /><br />The political mantra by Mitt Romney, <i>“we built it ourselves”</i> seeks to devalue the role of society and our responsibility towards one another. So you see why I am so passionate over this issue. It is an important point that goes beyond Stonehenge.<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-72116381289920001692013-05-09T15:04:24.909+01:002013-05-09T15:04:24.909+01:00Are these conditions favorable to the building of ...<i>Are these conditions favorable to the building of all the megalith monuments in the UK?</i><br /><br />Monuments may have been built as a direct result Kostas: It's not at all difficult to work up a plausible environmental explanation describing the root cause and subsequent purpose of most of these monuments: Some monuments in Ireland even have relevant explanatory drawings. Stonehenge may simply be an advanced but more abstract form of that same environmental concern.<br /><br />I'll write it up one day. There's a very limited market for this sort of thing though.Jon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264966739582178631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-55820607270536658252013-05-09T14:51:19.095+01:002013-05-09T14:51:19.095+01:00Kostas
I used the word ANALOGY. This is not meant...Kostas<br /><br />I used the word ANALOGY. This is not meant to be a direct COMPARISON.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-64471451596275998722013-05-09T01:50:58.471+01:002013-05-09T01:50:58.471+01:00Tony,
One man behind a bulldozer can move a mount...Tony,<br /><br />One man behind a bulldozer can move a mountain.<br /><br />People did not built those <i>“spectacular Cathedral and Church buildings”.</i> Technology did!<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-91048802777409118642013-05-08T22:39:47.996+01:002013-05-08T22:39:47.996+01:00 As an analogy,does anyone know enough about Briti... As an analogy,does anyone know enough about British building and settlement history to comment on what happened in this sphere AFTER the decimation of its population in the 14th Century following the Black Death? In paricular, for example, to the construction of spectacular Cathedral and Church buildings?TonyHnoreply@blogger.com