tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post6476519778174283537..comments2024-03-28T14:00:12.372+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: When were the bluestones first used at Stonehenge?BRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-70875469227202091352015-09-14T20:56:51.073+01:002015-09-14T20:56:51.073+01:00Tony,
samples have been tested by the best but hav...Tony,<br />samples have been tested by the best but have yet to find a solid provinence for their origin although it is probably Dorset. They have definitaly not seen Wales.<br /><br />The Portishead stones are local to the area and have been identified by a local geologist.<br /><br />I have some more garden stones in Amesbury to chase up soon, even if it's only to tick them off the list.<br />All this work is unfunded so I am limited in what I can do.<br />If only I had a budget I could do so much more!<br />cheers,<br />PeteG<br />PeteGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602290459387947074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-68200447240334098362015-09-14T20:07:53.289+01:002015-09-14T20:07:53.289+01:00Interesting stuff Pete, I look forward to hearing ...Interesting stuff Pete, I look forward to hearing more. (Simon here, btw.) Evergreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-24565502311380860242015-09-14T17:13:44.594+01:002015-09-14T17:13:44.594+01:00Fascinating explorations/ investigations you'r...Fascinating explorations/ investigations you're doing, PeteG. Brilliant.<br /><br />You mention you have had "several promising finds in gardens in Amesbury tested... but alas none with a Stonehenge connection so far". Could I suggest they may yet be worth identifying geologically in case they may yet have a broader connection with glaciation from Brian's general direction beyond the modern Bristol Channel over in south west Cymru?<br /><br />Have you taken any further steps to look at exotic stones said to be on hillsides near Portishead? We were in touch about these by email a few years ago.<br /><br />TonyTonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-1083151652455561692015-09-14T17:02:55.643+01:002015-09-14T17:02:55.643+01:00Perhaps we more conservative(with a small C) comme...Perhaps we more conservative(with a small C) commentators on Matters Stonehenge and Bluestone should adopt Myris' nomenclature for "Bluestonehenge/Bluehenge", and refer to it as the West Amesbury Henge.<br /><br />This is more FACTUALLY accurate, folks! We ARE interested in facts, yes?<br /><br />MPP's pet - rock name/ nickname for it is all very well as far as what Chris refers to as MPP's "gut feeling". However, as soon as he first used it, it was immediately picked up by our old favourite of factual accuracy, the Daily Mail.....within the blinking of an eye it had traversed the Atlantic Ocean, and henceforth it has been virtually written in concrete in the Huffington Post, Fox News, etc, etc. Thus are Modern Myths born, though seldom recognised as such by the average innocent punter buying his newspaper or switching on his television or Internet. Folk tales are still prevalent....TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-49437062686952976462015-09-14T08:35:29.760+01:002015-09-14T08:35:29.760+01:00Thanks Pete -- keep hunting!! So you have a monum...Thanks Pete -- keep hunting!! So you have a monument-building farmer who went to all the trouble to go to Preseli to collect some bluestones for his folly? Takes all sorts.... the eccentricities of the English.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-89292464821469211432015-09-13T23:47:53.236+01:002015-09-13T23:47:53.236+01:00the Wick stones are local to the Bath area.
I have...the Wick stones are local to the Bath area.<br />I have been quiet here but have been very busy searching for bluestones in the area around Stonehenge. I have had several promising finds in gardens in Amesbury tested for me but alas nothing with a Stonehenge connection so far.<br />I have also had stone from Berwick St James and Shrewton tested and ruled out.<br />During the winter I will be looking for a stone that forms part of a small bridge over a field stream a couple of miles from the site which is marked on an early local map in private hands as 'Stone.'<br /><br />I am currently in touch with the army to get permissions sorted out to fly a drone over the route across Salisbury plain that the Sarsens are supposed to have been dragged from the Marlborough downs.<br />I covered the area around Marden Henge during this years dig.<br /><br />I have found a monument on the the edge of the plain made up of one sarsen and 6 bluestones that definitaly came from Precelli as the farmer told me he bought them over himself in the year 2000 to make a monument on his land.<br /><br />I am hoping to fly over some site in Wales with the drone to trace possible routes the stones were taken from the 'quarries'<br />More news coming soon.<br />Pete G<br />PeteGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602290459387947074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-5842947586007206272015-09-13T22:08:33.788+01:002015-09-13T22:08:33.788+01:00There is a megalithic feature at Wick near Bristol...There is a megalithic feature at Wick near Bristol and Bath. From what I hear it might have been a long barrow. People say the stones are pinkish in colour and apparently they have a crystalline sparkly component. It does not sound like bluestone and I heard that the stones are similar to those in a nearby quarry.<br /><br />Sorry for the anecdotal nature of my response. They are well worth a visit by all accounts,chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34205540489909929292015-09-13T20:51:00.440+01:002015-09-13T20:51:00.440+01:00Brian:
I seem to recall a bluestone setting at Wi...Brian: <br />I seem to recall a bluestone setting at Wick, near bath. I hope to make a visit to find them again, next year. Are you or your contributors aware of these bluestones, or have I dreamt it? I do have a picture of them, somewhere.<br />TomAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05951697954070876728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-48502560358069793682015-09-13T20:40:02.355+01:002015-09-13T20:40:02.355+01:00Chris -- of course that's true. If the stones...Chris -- of course that's true. If the stones were lying around in the Stonehenge landscaoe, they could have been put up somewhere, for some purpose, as soon as the inhabitants of Salisbury Plain were moved to stand stones upright and to put them into settings or arrangements. So they could have gone into long barrows, as at Boles Barrow near Heytesbury -- if you are inclined to believe the dolerite boulder story that others are disinclined to believe because it is very inconvenient.<br /><br />So yes, I would have no problem with stones being put into position well before 5,000 yrs BP if necessary........BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-33729437700425111412015-09-13T20:35:26.670+01:002015-09-13T20:35:26.670+01:00My last post crossed with Myris. So now we know?My last post crossed with Myris. So now we know?chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-90797117697256869022015-09-13T20:34:02.107+01:002015-09-13T20:34:02.107+01:00Thanks Myris -- so what was the source of that fra...Thanks Myris -- so what was the source of that fragment?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-85638535833943033902015-09-13T20:33:56.728+01:002015-09-13T20:33:56.728+01:00It would be interesting to know whether any analys...It would be interesting to know whether any analysis has been done on the fragment from Bluestone Henge, if fragment there was.<br /><br />Personally I feel inclined to give MPPs gut feel some weight :) He has seen a lot more stone settings than I have and nothing in his academic record to date shows an inclination to deliberately defraud. The idea that bluestones were on site from the earliest times might strengthen the glacial hypothesis. There is little evidence that society pre-2500 BC was capable of organising the massive collective effort needed to move the bluestones.<br /><br />I am well aware that we are here involved in assessing most plausible hypotheses. It is overdue for archaeologists to share data on bluestonehenge, rhosyfelin, etc, etc. <br /><br />TonyH - spending time on stonehenge is inevitably going to mean forming opinions on incomplete information. It is the nature of the beast,chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-25091791889315447482015-09-13T20:01:21.446+01:002015-09-13T20:01:21.446+01:00Dr Ixer looked at the sandstone fragments from Wes...Dr Ixer looked at the sandstone fragments from West Amesbury Henge none is like the Altar Stone.<br />It clearly states this in the pet rock boys paper debitage dilemma.<br />No stone from West Amesbury Henge can be directly associated with Stonehenge.<br />MMyris of Alexandrianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-87793046686589424132015-09-13T19:21:24.336+01:002015-09-13T19:21:24.336+01:00Dictionary definition of CONJECTURE:
...Dictionary definition of CONJECTURE:<br /><br /><br /> An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Synonyms include GUESS, FANCY, SPECULATION, SURMISETonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-63274551055707989122015-09-13T19:20:41.609+01:002015-09-13T19:20:41.609+01:00Agree that Bluestonehenge is a real puzzle -- and ...Agree that Bluestonehenge is a real puzzle -- and of course if the supposed stone holes there really did contain bluestones (which were later shifted to Stonehenge) that pushes the "fist date of use" for the bluestones further back still. <br /><br />I read in one of the bluestonehenge articles by MPP that one of the "stone holes" contained a fragment of sandstone that was suggested to be a piece of the Altar Stone. I wonder how reliable that was?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-70002563909959220902015-09-13T13:55:37.703+01:002015-09-13T13:55:37.703+01:00Then there's the vexed question of the so - ca...Then there's the vexed question of the so - called Bluestonehenge down by the Avon riverside not too far from Sting's pile. No geological evidence for it holding either bluestones; nor one fragment remaining. Take a look at Bluestonehenge's Wikipedia entry.<br /><br /> Another case of the main requirement being MPPs vivid imagination/ ambition?TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-27195540837454526622015-09-12T15:39:58.816+01:002015-09-12T15:39:58.816+01:00Thanks Geo. That's what I thought. But there...Thanks Geo. That's what I thought. But there still seems to be a degree of tribal conflict on this between the MPP / Pollard tribe and the Darvill / Wainwright tribe? All good fun......BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-21859948359158949032015-09-12T15:04:24.975+01:002015-09-12T15:04:24.975+01:00People have changed their minds on it over the yea...<br /><br /> People have changed their minds on it over the years .<br />I'm not aware of anything new .<br />I think the consenus is now in favour of the presence of stones ,rather than nothing or timber posts , and bluestones not sarsen .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-81609431676900340872015-09-12T14:25:13.769+01:002015-09-12T14:25:13.769+01:00Yes, we have. I was just wondering whether there ...Yes, we have. I was just wondering whether there have been any real developments in thinking -- or new evidence -- since 2012?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-14111289915679465932015-09-12T14:20:32.685+01:002015-09-12T14:20:32.685+01:00
Whether the evidence points to the Aubreys havi...<br /><br /> Whether the evidence points to the Aubreys having held post or bluestones or nothing has long been contentious with those interested in the monument .<br />Surely Neil and I and others ? have discussed it ,possibly in passing , here .<br /><br />Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.com