tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post5232219621440196755..comments2024-03-18T23:11:23.676+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: The dig siteBRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-29729104942981722892011-12-21T10:42:23.105+00:002011-12-21T10:42:23.105+00:00Sardonyx -- I can't make head or tale of that ...Sardonyx -- I can't make head or tale of that map reference. Can you give it as a grid ref? Where are we talking about here? Doesn't seem to be anywhere near Craig Rhosyfelin......BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-55786152713266393462011-12-21T08:57:17.217+00:002011-12-21T08:57:17.217+00:00Thanks Sardonyx -- that is an interesting proposit...Thanks Sardonyx -- that is an interesting proposition -- and it seems top be the way that MPP & Co are thinking -- their suggestion seems to be that there was a big circle incorporating foliated rhyolite orthostats at Waun Mawn, not far away. <br />I have done a couple of posts about that -- use the search box.<br /><br />This isn't new -- of course HH Thomas suggested that the Stonehenge bluestones were once in a circle near Cilymmaenllwyd, which was later dismantled and moved to Stonehenge.<br /><br />But this is all just as speculative as everything else -- and I don't know of any megalithic monuments in Pembrokeshire or anywhere else where foliated rhyolites are used preferentially -- or indeed at all.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-11011470533793963772011-12-21T05:50:53.469+00:002011-12-21T05:50:53.469+00:00""If the orthostats from here were so lo...""If the orthostats from here were so lousy -- crumbly and flaky, with a tendency to break up, why would they have bothered to carry them all the way from here to Stonehenge, just to break them up?" <br /><br />My guess would be that the stones at Stonehenge would have been taken from pre-existing circles. That is, first, a local circle was made from local stone. Then, by virtue of this circle, these stones acquired some special association. Maybe they were carried off as spoils of war, or they were considered magical, or carried around like the Ark of the Covenant.<br /><br />I dont think that these stones were quarried FOR Stonehenge. My guess is that they were components of smaller circle(s) brought TO Stonehenge for political or other reasons.<br /><br />It would be interesting to look for stone circles in the vicinity, or remains thereof. I see a sort of circular feature to the left, a couple of fields away, quite large. Center 51°59'45.14"N 4°44'12.07"W, bordered by trees to the top and the road to the south.Sardonyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112561537490386542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-33745864917013058682011-10-01T15:07:57.529+01:002011-10-01T15:07:57.529+01:00Finishing this thread now please, you guys. We ar...Finishing this thread now please, you guys. We are going round and round in ever-diminishing stone circles........<br /><br />Time to move on!BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-45112810111248816142011-10-01T14:56:02.346+01:002011-10-01T14:56:02.346+01:00Geo Cur,
Knowing how to argue is not knowing how ...Geo Cur,<br /><br />Knowing how to argue is not knowing how to reason!<br /><br />I might as well be talking to a Southern Revivalist and get endless quotes from the Bible! They 'know it all' as you 'know it all'. It's hard to reason with people that 'know it all'. I just 'question it all' !<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-57496080495898246142011-10-01T01:06:49.324+01:002011-10-01T01:06:49.324+01:00Kostas ,
1) The use of the term “ Quirky behavio...Kostas ,<br />1) The use of the term “ Quirky behaviour “ is clearly selective , and if it is defined by it’s use to 'explain the unexplainable' ,then despite what you say you do use it in your arguments e.g. is the throwing of rocks from the glacier of which there cannot possibly any evidence not “QB “ or the Romans lifting a bluestone carving one end and using it as a ram not “QB” there is no evidence for any those actions and the use of stone for a ram is extremely “QB” .In both those cases you have actually introduced “QB” when there was a perfectly normal explanation .In the first case the stones were erected by builders long after the glaciation to the north and in the second the builders of Stonehenge keeled the bluestone in typical fashion , I would suggest that other stones of the same size at the site will have had the same technique <br />used on them .<br />2) Iconocalsm and destruction of non utilitarian monuments clearly occurred in prehistory , the first time I mentioned it I also included two examples from the same period .<br />3) Bear in mind the original suggestion was in relation to the 10 stumps and possibly some of the toppled bluestones , not the sarsens .<br />4) The site in “The site that required ramming “ was not referring to Stonehenge but the site that the ram was to be used to ram . This should have been clear by the previous phrase which was suggesting that the site to be rammed would have just as appropriate material closer to hand i.e. wood . <br />5) http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/arch-352-1/dissemination/pdf/vol_098/98_126_149.pdf<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lang_Stane,_Aberdeen <br />Aubrey Burl mentions other examples in “A guide to the stone circles ….etc “ but the url was too big . It tends to apply to those stones that are not much more than 2m above the ground , not the bigger examples .<br />6) There is no evidence for the Romans digging up any stones or carving that particular stone , which is hardly difficult , there is however evidence of the builders of stone circles etc using that technique . Considering the Romans belonged to the historical period there is not much to associate them with the site .<br />7)No one apart from you believes the glacier reached Brittany , of course it is not irrefutable but neither is “ aliens built the pyramids “ .<br />8) That was a joke ,due to the suggestion that Roman battering rams were made of stone .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-80639981692140987682011-09-30T19:31:34.491+01:002011-09-30T19:31:34.491+01:00Geo Cur,
I support your quest for answers!
1)...Geo Cur,<br /><br />I support your quest for answers!<br /><br />1)'quirky behavior' is a term used by Brian to 'explain the unexplainable' (like, for example, the many empty pits in the bedrock at Stonehenge). No serious argument can be based on 'quirky behavior'. More honest would be to simply admit that you have no explanation! None of my arguments use 'quirky behavior'!<br /><br />2)'iconoclasm' has and does occur in History. But there must be some History to claim it has occurred! Just claiming it has occurred is no different than other 'quirky non-explanations'. Its fudging the dialectical logic.<br /><br />3)'iconoclasm at Stonehenge”? Hard to argue for it without historical evidence. Your 'evidence' is not convincing. If the builders of Stonehenge wanted to destroy Stonehenge (why? more quirky behavior?) the most effective and easiest way of doing that would be to pull down the lintel sarsens and smash these onto the ground. That would have done more to deface Stonehenge (if that was their quirky intent) than breaking erect bluestones in half and leaving the stumps embedded.<br /><br />4)You write, <i>“why did the users of the rams choose such poor quality rocks , where were they to be used and the likelihood of superior and easier to access material closer to the site that required ramming “.</i> Did you say <i>“required ramming”!!!</i> I think you are confusing 'ramming stones' for 'stones rammed'! I am not arguing that Romans went about 'ramming stones' (ie breaking stones) at Stonehenge in an iconoclastic frenzy! What I am arguing is that Romans (and possibly Medieval people) quarried the bluestones at Stonehenge for the purpose of using these as 'ramming heads' in their ramming apparatuses -- used to ram open enemy fortifications everywhere they did battle. This is known to have happened. No quirky behavior here! Very practical and deliberate. Just like Romans were! It makes sense!<br /><br />5)No I have not seen the removal of any stone. I go by the photos I've seen. Have any photos? <br /><br />6)You write, <i>“Why would the builders have created a model of an instrument from a period in the future then buried it ?” </i> The 'builders' did not carve Bluestone 69 for the purpose of it being used as a 'ramming head' in a 'ramming apparatus' 3000 years or more later into the future! The Romans did that! They had the skills, tools and purpose to do that! Doubt that?<br /><br />7)You write, <i>“... glacier that never reached that far south[Brittany]”.</i> Perhaps! This is not an irrefutable fact, however. And if the submarine ridges off the coast of Brittany 200 meters deep in the English Channel – that Brian posted on not too long ago -- prove to be glacier till, than certainly such 'irrefutable (to you) fact' will be very refutable (by all) myth. And if these ridges further turn out to be (as I believe) more stone alignments, than my hypothesis that these stone alignments in Brittany and elsewhere were made by nature will not be 'absurd' but science! The World awaits the Truth!<br /><br />8)You write, “... I wonder if there has been an unconscious influence of MPP ‘s wood at Durrington /stone at Stonehenge at work here .” Geo Cur! One think that you should know about me! I am not influenced by men, only by facts! I don't believe in 'personality cults' and rely on my own sense of sense. Selfishly, I only accept as valid what makes sense to me! Everything else, I question!<br /><br />Brian! Why not Brain?<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-3461529954094400522011-09-30T11:45:50.375+01:002011-09-30T11:45:50.375+01:00Geo -- done. Because I have other things going on...Geo -- done. Because I have other things going on in life, like funerals and bookselling trips, I don't look at the blog all the times -- and sometimes things pile up! Then I might approve several things at the same time. A bit of repetition isn't a problem -- our discussions roll on and are quickly forgotten!!<br /><br />By the way, Brian and not Brain!!BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-17128899207157205152011-09-30T11:29:00.608+01:002011-09-30T11:29:00.608+01:00Brain , apologies I have posted what is in effect ...Brain , apologies I have posted what is in effect the same post a few times . Could you please delete all but one of these posts . I have noticed that sometimes a post does seem to disappear so I just resend it 12-24 hrs later but it looks like in this case they have piled up .Sorry to be a nuisance .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-46870541259948550332011-09-29T22:41:20.324+01:002011-09-29T22:41:20.324+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-61128606324564154632011-09-29T19:41:39.444+01:002011-09-29T19:41:39.444+01:00Kostas ,You didn’t answer the basic question of wh...Kostas ,You didn’t answer the basic question of why did the users of the rams choose such poor quality rocks , where were they to be used and the likelihood of superior and easier to access material closer to the site that required ramming .? The question relating to whether you had ever seen many standing stones ,removed from sockets was ignored too, stone 69 looks like a typical keeled standing stone not a Roman ram .Why would the builders have created a model of an instrument from a period in the future then buried it ?<br />Considering battering rams were made of wood I wonder if there has been an unconscious influence of MPP ‘s wood at Durrington /stone at Stonehenge at work here .<br />Any understanding we have of Stonehenge is due to science and archaeology not fabrication and egos , there is also interpretation , that is something we have to live with and accept with as much salt as is necessary , often it is conjecture based on evidence other times it is not evidence based as in the case of the prehistoric monuments in Brittany being due to glacier that never reached that far south .<br />Iconoclasm is normal human behaviour like criminality ,belief in spirits /afterlife and warmongering etc with plenty of evidence for it in prehistory .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-67093047259287569872011-09-29T09:44:09.407+01:002011-09-29T09:44:09.407+01:00Kostas , You don’t seem to be sure whether or not...Kostas , You don’t seem to be sure whether or not iconoclasm is quirky behaviour or not , it’s immaterial , it is perfectly normal human behaviour like criminality , belief in spirits and an afterlife and warmongering and is found throughout the pre and historical periods , whether you accept it or not . As a term it is not very useful as the definition seems to be based on what you think is acceptable , evidence for the behaviour and a less loaded term might be simpler more useful .<br />What we do know about Stonehenge is due to science and archaeology working together .Interpretation is something else , it’s another of those things that people do whether suggesting that ice extended to Brittany and was the cause of the all the prehistoric monuments or the wood / stone connection at Durrington /Stonehenge .Sometimes it is evidence based coupled with a fevered imagination , others there is no evidence at all ,as in the Brittany example . On the other hand iconoclasm and destruction of monuments in the prehistoric period is something that has been recorded and understood since the early days of archaeology .<br />You didn’t answer the basic question of why did the users of the rams choose such poor quality rocks and where they were to be used ,surely there would ahve been more suitable material closer to the site that was to be rammed ?<br /> The question relating to whether you had ever seen many standing stones was ignored too, stone 69 looks like a typical keeled standing stone not a Roman ram ,wrong material too ,stone is a bit unwieldy for a ram ,wood was the material of choice . Were the builders thinking of those to come a couple of millennia in the future and provide them a ready made ram albeit in typical MPP mode , stone at Stonehenge and the more likely wood wood at Durrington .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-8714495774688660772011-09-28T14:39:48.228+01:002011-09-28T14:39:48.228+01:00Geo Cur,
You write, “you didn’t propose anything ...Geo Cur,<br /><br />You write, <i>“you didn’t propose anything against the suggestion that the reason for the stumps could possibly be iconoclasm “</i><br /><br />If iconoclasm happened here, wont it also destroy some of the other stones, or pull down the smaller lintels and smash them on the ground? That seems more likely to have happened, in my humble opinion!<br /><br />WWII was also 'iconoclastic behavior' – as every war is in my opinion! One people destroying what another culture has built. But we have historical records that document such events and provide 'understanding'. <br /><br />In the case of Stonehenge, no such understanding is possible because no such historical records exist. What we have are made-up stories by archeologists and others clever enough and determined to promote their fabricated view for whatever reason. I agree with Brian on this.<br /><br />Stonehenge is in historical darkness! In the darkness we can 'see' what we 'imagine'! And although it is not logically possible to 'prove the negative' (ie that iconoclasm did not destroy Stonehenge), we can nonetheless use our 'sensible reasoning' to look for other explanations that do make sense.<br /> <br />Here is my explanation that makes sense to me:<br /><br />The bluestones have certain special physical characteristics that would make them ideal for 'ramming heads' in a ramming apparatus. First they come just in the right shape and size – long, narrow and square. Second, they are very strong. Third, they were all available in one place, Stonehenge! <br /><br />If you look at the photo of Bluestone 69, you will see concrete evidence for this claim. This stone was most obviously carved! The 'head' is shaped for 'ramming' while the 'tail' was shaped to fit into the ramming arm made of long wooden trunks with the stone tail fitting in between and secured in place. This ramming arm could have been part of an apparatus on wheels that could be put into action as needed in war; whether in Roman times or Medieval times. And many such ramming apparatuses would have been needed by an army. Not just one!<br /><br />Although hard to know from the Atkinson photo Brian posted for the bluestone stub, one possibility for this stub is that the upper part of this bluestone was purposely cut off using metal tools by quarrymen wanting to use it as 'ramming head'. That may explain the markings on the stub. <br /><br />The explanation above is not 'quirky'! There is real purpose and intent. It is based on known needs and utility for such stones. Contrast that with 'periods of iconoclastic behavior' ! Not that iconoclastic times do not exist in human history. We are going through one today! But there is a well recorded 'before' which is destroyed in favor of a well recorded 'after'. With Stonehenge, we have neither 'before' nor 'after' which is not totally fabricated by very clever and determined egos!<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-39066316684682437642011-09-28T08:50:46.532+01:002011-09-28T08:50:46.532+01:00Kostas , you didn’t propose anything against the s...Kostas , you didn’t propose anything against the suggestion that the reason for the stumps could possibly be iconoclasm /destruction , quirky behaviour notwithstanding ,but that is not a argument , particularly when the behaviour is found in similar situations for the period and every other period . <br />There are 10 stumps some appear pretty quality , would the Romans or anybody else have needed or used that many of such poor quality and size and to what purpose in that area i.e. what fortifications ? Easter Island is a non sequitor , I didn’t mention it and it seems to have been suggested simply because of your own interest .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-28397144813741517982011-09-27T17:32:34.138+01:002011-09-27T17:32:34.138+01:00Geo Cur,
You write, “...but none[evidence] that I...Geo Cur,<br /><br />You write, <i>“...but none[evidence] that I know of Romans ramming anything at Stonehenge. “</i><br /><br />You misunderstood! The Romans did not go around <i>“ramming anything at Stonehenge”!</i> What would be very silly and quirky behavior indeed! So totally uncharacteristic of Roman behavior! <br /><br />If you read my comment carefully, I argue that Bluestone 69 may have been carved and used as a <i>“ramming head”</i> in a military apparatus used to ram open fortifications. Are you questioning that Romans and Medieval people had such apparatus?<br /><br />As for your mention of Easter Island. This is often brought up as unexplainable iconoclastic behavior -- when people go around breaking up stone statues. Since your argument centered around the idea of such iconoclastic behavior, I thought that's what you had in mind – as many other do also!<br /> <br />I have been as intrigued and interested in Easter Island as I am in Stonehenge. And I have a sensible explanation what happened there. I can tell you there are absolutely no parallels with Stonehenge! Those that seek to make them will be making up more fairy tales!<br /><br />Soon I hope to finish up an article I started a year ago on this, before I got involved with other personal and intellectual interests. My ideas on Easter Island (as those on Stonehenge) go back and built up over many decades. It's just now that I have the time to pursue them.<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-2857628994971829042011-09-27T00:03:14.810+01:002011-09-27T00:03:14.810+01:00Kostas , where did I mention Easter Island ? Icono...Kostas , where did I mention Easter Island ? Iconoclasm and destruction of monuments is a common factor in all periods of history and we have quite a few examples of it associated with the period of the bell beaker culture in the UK and Europe , I gave some examples , this is not quirky behaviour or an invention it is what people do and we have evidence for it . Stonehenge would not have been immune to cultural change and as the erection of the bluestone circle coincided with the bell beaker period I thought it worthy of mention , merely a suggestion . The stones could have been broken any time by the Romans or medieval people do we have any evidence for that ? and would that not be quirky behaviour too ?<br />I had a look at your stone 69 comment ,have you seen the bases of many standing stones ? This is an extreme example but very often they are keeled even on much ruder monuments than Stonehenge . we have evidence for this but none that I know of Romans ramming anything at Stonehenge .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-67295492800521958542011-09-26T23:35:25.320+01:002011-09-26T23:35:25.320+01:00Geo Cur,
So now we are inventing periods of icono...Geo Cur,<br /><br />So now we are inventing periods of iconoclastic quirky behavior! Where does it end? Easter Island? No connection whatsoever!<br /> <br />Isn't it more likely that because of their size, shape and strength the bluestones were ideal ramming heads in ramming apparatus used by the Romans and even medieval people? <br /><br />Check Brian's post <b>Bluestone 69</b> for my comment on this last year!<br /><br />http://brian-mountainman.blogspot.com/2010/05/bluestone-69.html<br /><br />The problem with clever people is that they can easily lose sense and proportionality!<br /> <br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-81910126644529117192011-09-26T20:19:36.852+01:002011-09-26T20:19:36.852+01:00When you consider that there are only six blustone...When you consider that there are only six blustones standing in the circle which may have anything between 40-60 if complete . The 10 stumps , fallen (or pushed ?) and missing might suggest iconocalsm . The date for the circle is in the middle of the bell beaker period which saw iconoclasm at other sites in Europe in the same period e.g Aosta , Le petit Chasseur where earlier monuments including stelae , not dissimilar to standing stones were deliberately smashed .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-32256605608837146842011-09-26T18:28:40.740+01:002011-09-26T18:28:40.740+01:00Brian,
If the builders were building a sacred mon...Brian,<br /><br />If the builders were building a sacred monument at great expense of energy, time and resources, why would they leave a blue stump in the socket? <br /><br />And if there was a 'natural fracture' in the stone, wont this give way when put under the much greater stress transporting the stone over hard terrain?<br /><br />When a huge stone like this falls laterally (width wise) on a hard ground you will get a clean sheering plane (like the photo you have of a fallen big stone in another post). But when a big stone is dropped vertically and length-wise (as compared width wise) the pressure up from the impact of the stone hitting the ground and the pressure down from the fall and the force of gravity would result in a compressure fracture somewhere near the middle of the bottom half and possibly where there is a slight existing fault. <br /><br />When I look at the Atkinson photo of the bluestone stump embedded in the bedrock, this is what I see. But I can be wrong. Seeing it and examining it close up may give a different story. Just thinking out loud!<br /><br />Is the other half of the broken bluestone found anywhere? Or was it carried away by the Romans and used in a ramming device.<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-67514521450143161042011-09-26T17:53:23.590+01:002011-09-26T17:53:23.590+01:00There might have been a natural fracture across it...There might have been a natural fracture across it which held together until the stone was almost in place, and then actually gave way, leaving the builders with a useless stump in the ground. Or they may have been dissatisfied with the stone, for whatever reason, and broke it up deliberately before leaving the stump in its socket and burying it. All sorts of possibilities.....<br /><br />This should have resulted in lots of "debitage" in the soil layers.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-53360647502876500982011-09-26T14:16:26.348+01:002011-09-26T14:16:26.348+01:00Brian,
So how did the standing bluestone break up...Brian,<br /><br />So how did the standing bluestone break up? What is your explanation?<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-45276094878851270672011-09-26T13:57:30.178+01:002011-09-26T13:57:30.178+01:00It's you who apparently saw a compressive frac...It's you who apparently saw a compressive fracture, Kostas -- not me! If that has happened, there would be a sheared face, with a flat surface left on the top of the stump. Instead of that, we see a jagged top surface, with foliated bands projecting upwards.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-43572178875267317012011-09-26T13:49:44.393+01:002011-09-26T13:49:44.393+01:00Brian,
Would you be able to see in the Atkinson p...Brian,<br /><br />Would you be able to see in the Atkinson photo the compressure fracturing of this bluestone if there was compressure fracturing of this bluestone? <br /><br />What is your explanation for the erect and standing bluestone to break in half or crumple? Was it weathering or men responsible? Is the 'other half of this orthostat found? Or is this half considered to be all the broken up pieces referred to as the 'bluestone debitage'?<br /><br />KostasConstantinos Ragazashttp://knol.google.com/k/constantinos-ragazas/the-un-henging-of-stonehenge/ql47o1qdr604/16#noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-34987199148485677032011-09-26T10:35:30.415+01:002011-09-26T10:35:30.415+01:00re Easter Island. Point taken -- I apologize to a...re Easter Island. Point taken -- I apologize to any Easter Islanders who might have been offended.....BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-24989567870920087052011-09-26T09:51:09.135+01:002011-09-26T09:51:09.135+01:00Sorry -- I meant "near the bend in the minor ...Sorry -- I meant "near the bend in the minor road, to the east of the ford."BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.com