tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post5035107109485324048..comments2024-03-28T22:13:17.139+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: Bedd ArthurBRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-1331416806810662862012-01-27T14:16:55.932+00:002012-01-27T14:16:55.932+00:00Oh, it's all good fun. Not necessarily all ma...Oh, it's all good fun. Not necessarily all male -- some of our anonymous contributors might be female, for all I know....<br /><br />And none of it actually MATTERS anyway...BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-18903018708395698622012-01-27T13:47:08.994+00:002012-01-27T13:47:08.994+00:00Wow!! A male bitch fest haha....great entertainmen...Wow!! A male bitch fest haha....great entertainment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-41707085634401433262012-01-02T18:08:43.749+00:002012-01-02T18:08:43.749+00:00Catherine , what is common to Bedd Arthur and the ...Catherine , what is common to Bedd Arthur and the Blustone oval and possibly Bluestonehenge is that they are aligned on on the summer solstice sunrise (in the case of the Stonehnege monument there is a very good argument for intentionality but not necessarily for B.A. and BSH ).Their shapes are not that similar and typologically and chronologically they might differ considerably .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-72079483169424849572012-01-02T16:31:51.631+00:002012-01-02T16:31:51.631+00:00I am intrigued...looking forward to seeing it for ...I am intrigued...looking forward to seeing it for myself. Thanks Brian.Catherine Perigohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09934094856103017372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-17509551987065760792012-01-02T16:00:07.103+00:002012-01-02T16:00:07.103+00:00Ah, it depends on whose views you are reading abou...Ah, it depends on whose views you are reading about. Personally, I can see no connection whatsoever between Bedd Arthur and Stonehenge -- apart, maybe, from the fact that they both involve vaguely elliptical shapes. But many other stone setting share that characteristic as well.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-68236813865923744152012-01-02T15:21:48.853+00:002012-01-02T15:21:48.853+00:00I shall be visiting for the first time next week. ...I shall be visiting for the first time next week. I have read that the blue stone oval at SH is very much the same as that at Bedd Arthur and that the two must be very closely connected if not the work of the same people?Catherine Perigohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09934094856103017372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-55947445470659168712011-12-29T17:14:25.577+00:002011-12-29T17:14:25.577+00:00RJL comment deleted -- no personal abuse please......RJL comment deleted -- no personal abuse please...BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-61639350550899161822011-12-29T16:41:47.016+00:002011-12-29T16:41:47.016+00:00Chris , I should point out that I was merely sayin...Chris , I should point out that I was merely saying that it looked similar , no connection other than visual suggested .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-66290079755575626892011-12-29T14:23:25.745+00:002011-12-29T14:23:25.745+00:00Geo Cur, thanks for the links. I can appreciate w...Geo Cur, thanks for the links. I can appreciate why you see the connection.<br /><br />Bedd Arthur is a little thing by comparison but perhaps the Viking crews were far from home and in a hurry. Could even be that they rearranged a pre-existing circle to make their boat.....<br /><br />Reluctant to fantasize too much on this blog given the high scientific standards.Chris johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-82106407614472742432011-12-29T11:38:50.980+00:002011-12-29T11:38:50.980+00:00Alex , I suggest not reading books about the purpo...Alex , I suggest not reading books about the purpose of Stonehenge , it is in the nature of the beast that they will induce bouts of piss taking , anyone who has ever solved a cross word puzzle ,read the London Underground map , or understood a couple of axioms thinks they have some understanding about the “purpose “ of Stonehenge /rock art/ Pictish symbols /pyramids etc . If the title has an enigma , puzzle , solved , mysterious , ancient , wisdom etc in it then it is more than likely best avoided (publishers not authors are really to blame but they know their market and some do get unfortunate titles despite being non nutty ,I’m thinking in particular of Anthony Johnson’s “ Solving Stonehenge sub titles A new key to an Ancient Enigma “ which has four BS warnings yet is not at all daft ) , all you discover is their little obsessions and nothing about the monument , this problem does extend into the mainstream e.g. the recent nonsense about the undated ,unsighted , Cursus pits and Heel Stone “alignments “ and subsequent due south midday procession to the centre of monument from Brum Uni ( it took me less than half an hour and without the accurate grid refs for the pits ,to show it was simply wrong , this at least was falsifiable ) ) sadly anything worthwhile which will almost certainly come out of their work will be tainted by this petty sound bite stuff . Alternatively there are regular articles and papers that actually inform us about recent studies some of which are exemplary . In the last year we have had the David Field and Trevor Pearson “Survey Report “ the Bevins and Ixer papers oft noted here , even the MPP et al papers are full of info , just excise the interpretation . <br /> The "Purpose of Stonehenge " belongs on the same shelf as " Why Hitler was right " ," Live 'til 120 on Light and Yoghurt " " Find the untapped 135% of your brain power " " Civilisation before civilistion ,the truth about Slough "Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-57368202025773103732011-12-28T21:10:03.039+00:002011-12-28T21:10:03.039+00:00That is the intention Brian.
perhaps Dr Speedy or...That is the intention Brian. <br />perhaps Dr Speedy or someone else would care to give a more qualified opinion on the observed characteristics of the supposed Chert/basalt?<br /><br />The rock appears black or extremely dark in colour, its hard enough to cut glass and mark steel, No sparks were produced when the rock was used to continuously strike steel/iron(as one might expect with flint or chert. <br /><br />No reaction was observed when the rock was submerged in dilute Hydrochloric acid (not a carbonate)<br /><br />The rock is fine grained, no crystals are observable when using a hand microscope at 60-100X magnification. <br /><br />The rock structure appears to be homogenous, there appears to be no layering or stratification.<br /><br />There appears to be some yellow coloured randomly oriented bands or intrusions. <br /><br />When heated on an oven ring for a considerable period no apparent reaction or fracturing occurred(as one might expect from moisture laden flint or chert) <br /><br />These are the findings of my amateur efforts.Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-56413731675196456902011-12-28T20:26:09.488+00:002011-12-28T20:26:09.488+00:00Any chance of getting some thin sections made, Ale...Any chance of getting some thin sections made, Alex?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-24142314561950278432011-12-28T19:37:22.050+00:002011-12-28T19:37:22.050+00:00Happy NewYear Brian/Geo and all.
Funny you should...Happy NewYear Brian/Geo and all.<br /><br />Funny you should mention evidence free!. Some of us Mendip Troglodytes, have been busy taking a closer look at the stream sediments in our Hobbit Holes. <br /><br />Some of the clasts I formerly thought to be local sedimentary rock types, appear to be rhyolites, basalts and other erratics?<br /><br />As an example: from brief visual examination and experience, I initially dismissed the dense,hard, shiny black coloured clasts as Carboniferous Chert. But on closer testing and visual examination they appear to be a Basalt?. <br /><br />Care to suggest how they got there??.<br /><br />The problem is that these rock types don't exist upstream of the cave passages we're excavating.<br />(Although there are Basalt Quarries 16 km to the east and exposures near Weston-Super-Mud).<br /><br />I know it probably doesn't seem like it. But I appreciate the hard work required, and the value of the data obtained by Archeological field work. (we've been digging our cave for 20 years). <br /><br />I just have a problem with the ridiculous interpretations proposed in the Archeological literature. Some mght find it offensive, but I feel quite justified in taking the Piss. <br /><br />Reading the literature on the purpose of Stonehenge, is like listening to a room full of lunatics debating what colour faeries are or the dimensions of flying saucers!!.Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-75913590258062758022011-12-28T18:53:44.526+00:002011-12-28T18:53:44.526+00:00Ah yes -- the Red Lady of Paviland -- was he a tra...Ah yes -- the Red Lady of Paviland -- was he a transvestite? Now there's an interesting archaeological problem.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-27531658322845050292011-12-28T18:40:48.754+00:002011-12-28T18:40:48.754+00:00At this , speedy rate , of listing the evidence fr...At this , speedy rate , of listing the evidence free we should arrive at Kostas "idea " by the summer , unless RJL has something under his hat that even tops that .Boxgrove the first Olympic village ? Red "Lady " of Paviland - a U.P. Santa ?Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-39174377081437561022011-12-28T17:28:15.985+00:002011-12-28T17:28:15.985+00:00---- or even, if we want to become totally crazy, ...---- or even, if we want to become totally crazy, the idea of human involvement in moving lots of bluestones from West Wales to Salisbury Plain?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-20679742866184442212011-12-28T15:47:23.975+00:002011-12-28T15:47:23.975+00:00Alex , or in the spirit of evidence free new age w...Alex , or in the spirit of evidence free new age woo year greetings , how about glaciation from Preseli extended to Salisbury Plain ?Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-73734456313469759532011-12-28T14:28:30.579+00:002011-12-28T14:28:30.579+00:00Alex -- Heaven forbid! Got enough trouble, as it ...Alex -- Heaven forbid! Got enough trouble, as it is, trying to control this disreputable bunch! <br /><br />Thinking of the drawing board, I'm sure the profs are hunting high and low, as we speak...BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-81845166723011409012011-12-28T14:22:58.573+00:002011-12-28T14:22:58.573+00:00Brian
You should start a whole new blog. How did ...Brian<br />You should start a whole new blog. How did the remains of King Arthur get from Bedd Arthur to Glastonbury Abbey?.<br />Glacial entrainment by some as yet unknown late stage glaciation, or human transport?.<br /><br />Do you know if TD or GW have found the architects drawing board yet?Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-64635902056881168402011-12-28T11:59:07.689+00:002011-12-28T11:59:07.689+00:00Chris , here's some links http://www.megalithi...Chris , here's some links http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=10162<br />http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=12185<br />http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/12358/askeberga.html<br />http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8474877Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-60104591622915793572011-12-28T11:14:36.889+00:002011-12-28T11:14:36.889+00:00Geo Cur, I don't know much about Baltic boat s...Geo Cur, I don't know much about Baltic boat shaped burials. Can you point me to a good source?<br /><br />Bedd Arthur is a curious anomaly. It is a long way from the sea and the orientation is more inland. There are also plentiful sources of stone lying around - the Stone River is close by as is Carn Meini itself. Going in other directions there are plenty of odd stones too. Why someone should go the extra mile to vandalize an ancient monument is beyond me. In recent times the closest roads are a 45 minute walk over rough ground so the "gate post" theory seems unlikely.<br /><br />It is a shame that this area is not better investigated while so much effort is expended on the bluestone quarry theory. The amount of peat and soil build-up leaves us wondering about the many bumps and hollows and odd stones sticking up. The entire area has never been ploughed so much might be revealed under the turf. Even Gors fawr has not been investigated as far as I know, while its stones continue to struggle against total immersion in the bog.<br /><br />Anyone being so sure about Bedd Arthur is much smarter than me.Chris johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-59007447991945105292011-12-28T10:30:16.904+00:002011-12-28T10:30:16.904+00:00Brian , all in jest old chap , chill , have a pip...Brian , all in jest old chap , chill , have a pipe ,relax . <br />Judging by your comments and the authors quoted ,all archaeos , none archaeoastronomers you havn’t read the literature and merely getting a superficial view .I am often accused of knocking Thom but it’s a nice change to be able to say that he knew more about the subject than all the lot you mentioned together who merely regurgitated half understood Ruggles .<br /> Perhaps you should have given me the credit of coming up with something that might be of interest and accurate rather than resorting to an ill understood evidence free knee jerk reaction not dissimilar to “ nutcase glaciation theories about Stonehnege “Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-60728171677592582972011-12-28T09:52:01.660+00:002011-12-28T09:52:01.660+00:00Geo -- kindly give me some credit for reading quit...Geo -- kindly give me some credit for reading quite a bit of the archaeoastronomy literature before commenting on it. I can read it without necessarily finding all of it completely convincing.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-82470781002785042782011-12-28T09:41:13.315+00:002011-12-28T09:41:13.315+00:00RJL , your ignorance knows no bounds . I have forg...RJL , your ignorance knows no bounds . I have forgotten how many times here you have mentioned some "fact " that has been shown to be wrong with minimal effort .Rather than resort to bluster why don’t you respond to the explanation which shows your “thinking “ about the Mesolithic Long Barrows and Neolithic Round Barrows (sic ) and subsequent dating is all wrong . Just as the claims from the Gif –Sur –Yvettte RC dates are no longer acceptable and were even considered dodgy at the time .By all means question but don’t make things up when you don’t understand and why bother guessing about others knowledge and experience does it decrease the chip on the shopulder ?Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-37749201205630903612011-12-28T09:29:39.343+00:002011-12-28T09:29:39.343+00:00RJL , as is often the case you have misunderstood ...RJL , as is often the case you have misunderstood .Just as you did with not understanding how one alignment can be towards the solstice and one in the opposite direction not necessarily towards the other sosltice . The over your heads , note the plural was a general term for everyone here who didn’t appear to see that the archaeos desperate for any sort of confirmatory evidence for their ideas had risen to the bait . Possibly ,like Brian , you should read some archaeoastronomy before commenting on it and a also read what I had written concerning intentionality . There are countless examples of buildings aligned on solstices , or important astro events it doesn’t mean that builders intended them to be so .My house is aligned on the equinox ,a natural consequence of being south facing it doesn’t mean the builders intended the alignment, it is epiphenomenal .Geo Curhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616965043116389325noreply@blogger.com