tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post3105201367748268829..comments2024-03-28T22:13:17.139+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: Meini GwyrBRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-72152444961354889902016-09-26T10:33:04.387+01:002016-09-26T10:33:04.387+01:00Neil -- or maybe below your pay-grade?Neil -- or maybe below your pay-grade?BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-57972737921962142512016-09-25T15:14:30.108+01:002016-09-25T15:14:30.108+01:00Under the Heading, "GLANDY CROSS COMPLEX"...Under the Heading, "GLANDY CROSS COMPLEX", N P Figgis says (page 87 of his revised, 2010 edition of 'Prehistoric Preseli'):-<br /><br />Taking it as accepted that cursus monuments were very early, it has always seemed likely that the first sites in the area were axe - making sites on the east slope of Pentre Galar and at Yr Allor, the Llandissilio cursus (if confirmed...) and the passage - grave type chambered tombs. There are four of these........<br /><br />Very recently a radio - carbon date obtained from a hollow near Pantymenyn has given a reading from the Early Neolithic - around 4300 BC. If it applies to human activities, it would be the earliest sign of Neolithic communities in Preseli (although late Mesolithic <br />people or natural 'bush - fires' might eqaully have been responsible).<br /><br />It has always seemed slightly odd that Preseli, sticking right out into the sea - roads travelled by early Neolithic settlers, should have been ignored by them. Perhaps it wasn't? The large - scale setting for this early date is not yet known, but it may signal the presence of human activity in this significant area before even the axe - making tradition was developed - or may be relevant to the inauguration of axe - making in an area rich in suitable stone. It has been suggested that there may be a connection in Wales between cursus monuments and axe dissemination, and between this and river - ways; if so, these gfactors may contribute to the hypothesis that there was a cursus at the point where the Cleddau comes closest to a north - south trans - peninsular track.<br /><br />Henges also have very early origins and again, in Wales, have been linked with axe - production.......TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-12841212630861598292016-09-25T05:39:20.027+01:002016-09-25T05:39:20.027+01:00Hi Brian,
I think what they're looking for is ...Hi Brian,<br />I think what they're looking for is based on the hearth-dates of 54- or 5300 YBP. If those dates are accurate for the removal of the raw bluestones at Rhos-y-Fellin, and if the dates for their arrival in Wiltshire is 51- or 5000 YBP, then it indicates that the stones were most likely used elsewhere before being shipped out.<br /><br />Lots of 'Ifs', yes, but the logic appears to be sound, ie: what went on with those rocks during the missing 3- or 400 years?<br /><br />How they're going about selecting sites to search is above my pay-grade.<br /><br />Best,<br />NeilND Wisemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11925248433335448747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-36743471978480119622016-09-24T21:27:56.472+01:002016-09-24T21:27:56.472+01:00Very true, Chris. I can't get my head around ...Very true, Chris. I can't get my head around why MPP wants a proto-Stonehenge at all, given that he now reckons that the bluestones were present on Salisbury Plain before 5,000 yrs BP. If he wants a proto-Stonehenge to have been put up, and having attained some sort of sanctity, to have been taken down and then moved to Stonehenge, that means we are talking about a construction date for it of between 6,000 yrs BP and 5,500 yrs BP. That's way back in the Neolithic -- far, far older than any of the big stone settings that we know about in Wales. In Pembrokeshire they were building cromlechs at the time, and were apparently not very interested in putting up single standing stones, let alone stone circles. The dates just do not make sense. BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-85613709026690144262016-09-24T19:34:04.599+01:002016-09-24T19:34:04.599+01:00Unless there has been some re-dating, this monumen...Unless there has been some re-dating, this monument is much later than any putative time for moving stones to stonehenge - more than a thousand years later. Quite some time.chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-1018103613629597212016-09-24T18:57:52.899+01:002016-09-24T18:57:52.899+01:00I made a visit to Meini Gwyr a few years ago with ...I made a visit to Meini Gwyr a few years ago with my photographer brother who lives in Pembrokeshire. The Glandy Cross complex is certainly intriguing and the views, etc, marvellous thereabouts. Wish I lived locally, rather than midway between Avebury, Stanton Drew and Stonehenge, where we know quite a lot already, but Glandy Cross etc is like (relatively speaking) a blank page, knowledge - wise. I also like that part of N pembrokeshire as it brings back to mind elements of the Peak District and the uplands of northern England, well away from so - called "civilisation". At least you have time to ponder up there....TonyHnoreply@blogger.com