tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post1541302719008688702..comments2024-03-28T22:13:17.139+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: Where is the GBG limit in SW England?BRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-57255844492803884172011-09-23T14:05:56.787+01:002011-09-23T14:05:56.787+01:00Ah -- didn't know about GW directorships.........Ah -- didn't know about GW directorships......but I suppose famous people get invited onto these things. I didn't get invited -- I opposed the Bluestone Village application!<br /><br />But of course Tourism Wales, Tourism Pembs, the National Park, and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all just LOVE the fantastic tales that the archaeo boys tell them and tell the world. It's all good stuff for raising the profile of Pembs and bringing in a few more tourists. They are not the slightest bit bothered about whether they are getting the TRUTH or not... and I can understand where they are coming from.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-75045259705667939062011-09-23T13:35:42.255+01:002011-09-23T13:35:42.255+01:00Yes, and of course MPP could find himself very pou...Yes, and of course MPP could find himself very poular with the Wales tourist industry in the process; similarly, GW, who, I understand, is, or has been, a Director of Bluestone National Park Resort (www.bluestonewales.com/christmas) near Narberth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-79119258321719257402011-09-23T09:50:31.674+01:002011-09-23T09:50:31.674+01:00I haven't tracked MPP's thought processes,...I haven't tracked MPP's thought processes, but I got the impression that he suddenly switched from "maritime transport" mode to "land transport" mode when it became apparent that the Altar Stone had not come from Milford Haven but from the Brecon Beacons -- so a trip for the bluestones along the route of the A40 road suddenly became an attractive proposition.....BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-85906659112140989852011-09-22T22:16:21.692+01:002011-09-22T22:16:21.692+01:00Brian, re your Post of 15.23 22/09/11:-
I believe...Brian, re your Post of 15.23 22/09/11:-<br /><br />I believe the expression we could use is "Softly softly catchee monkey"!! <br /> I agree there are a number of very naughty monkeys involved presently, most of whom enjoy looking at themselves in the mirrors others have given them, but in my present analogy the 'monkey' involves a far more<br />significant aspiration, nothing less than your central thesis that Man did NOT transport the bluestones all the way from Pembrokeshire to Stonehenge. Incidentally, at least MPP has just stated in your presence that he no longer believes that the bluestones were transported by sea: so that is one battle won, is it not? Considering how absorbed/ obsessed our Newport Hall archaeologist-trio appear to be with worldwide ethnographic evidence (or non-evidence) of primitive peoples moving megaliths some distances, MPP appears to have made something of a concession. He said it direct to me in the last year or so also.<br />No doubt there will soon be press releases, starting first in British Archaeology and Current Archaeology, as regards this summer's excavations etc in Pembrokeshire and plans for next year.Tony Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-5494873268508946732011-09-22T15:24:31.128+01:002011-09-22T15:24:31.128+01:00Ulster white limestone at Kenn -- yes, very intere...Ulster white limestone at Kenn -- yes, very interesting. Will do a post on this.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-61647525654273217402011-09-22T15:23:50.943+01:002011-09-22T15:23:50.943+01:00Thanks Tony -- you are right -- I must try not to ...Thanks Tony -- you are right -- I must try not to over-teact, and maintain a calm and dignified approach -- and in course of course the world will eventually claim that they knew this nonsense aboiut human transport was nonsense all along. (But I have to admit to getting a bit stirred up by people who tell lies, quite knowingly, and then continue to tell lies regardless of the fact that people have asked them to be more truthful.....)<br /><br />Eventually the truth will win out ....BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-78710920252044152872011-09-20T20:20:54.416+01:002011-09-20T20:20:54.416+01:00I see your Post of 15th February 2011, "A Gla...I see your Post of 15th February 2011, "A Glaciological Dilemma", includes a message from Chris Hunt, mentioning Dave Gilbertson finding the Ulster White Limestone at Kenn [near Clevedon].Tony Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-36052232853569839892011-09-20T19:23:54.618+01:002011-09-20T19:23:54.618+01:00I believe MPP, at least, has a reputation for '...I believe MPP, at least, has a reputation for 'throwaway lines', and it's something I've witnessed for myself at his talks!<br />Have you thought of at least writing to your local daily newspaper, the Western Telegraph, with a suitably toned-down report on your take on what MPP, Joshua Pollard AND Colin Richards said at the Newport public talk a few days ago? In particular, questioning their understanding that glacial ice did NOT reach the coasts on the shores to the south of the Bristol Channel. A calmly - worded statement might be picked up by the wider media and win you a few more converts, if not the acknowledgement you might ideally be looking for from these archaeology academics. I am sure there are lots of Pembrokeshire folk who like to hear both sides of any debate. There is a fair chance this would quickly be picked up by the South Wales press in general.Tony Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-56774491033754909252011-09-20T06:58:13.638+01:002011-09-20T06:58:13.638+01:00Re the glacial deposits, yes, they are well known ...Re the glacial deposits, yes, they are well known and accepted by everybody. What interests me in the statement I cited is the presence of erratics weighing several tonnes in these deposits, including a piece of white limestone from Ulster. Now how did that get from Ulster to the Kenn - Court Hill area? Not over the highlands of Mid-Wales, that's for sure. It must have been carried by an ice stream that crossed Pembrokeshire.BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-25636994270462329312011-09-20T06:54:51.378+01:002011-09-20T06:54:51.378+01:00Are the geomorphologists actually unaware of what ...Are the geomorphologists actually unaware of what the archaeologists are saying? That's quite possible -- I have been in touch with one of two of them, and when I say that GW and MPP have both, in my hearing, said that glacier ice never crossed the Bristol Channel, their defensive instinct is to assume that I might have misheard or misreported things. So they won't go into battle on the basis of hearsay. In one respect, that's fair enough. But I wish they would have a bit more respect for my integrity. (And of course, GW and MPP are too smart ever to put this statement in writing -- it's one of the throw-away lines they put in when talking to gullible audiences!)BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-1021626876176961312011-09-19T23:12:39.801+01:002011-09-19T23:12:39.801+01:00I visit the Portishead area (now in North Somerset...I visit the Portishead area (now in North Somerset) fairly often and the landscape certainly looks, to a very rusty Geography graduate's eyes, to have glacial features. I also have visited the Fremington Quay in North Devon (it is now a Country Park) where there is a glacial deposit. I bet the geologists working on the construction of the M5 Motorway in N. Somerset acknowledged the presence of erratics, glacial deposits etc, as you mention them. The Somerset County Council presumably possesses, or possessed at the time, a Minerals Officer working for the Planning Dept.(as in Wiltshire). That person should have knowledge of glacial deposits along the coastland, etc,as clay is a valuable mineral resource.Tony Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-27286953110961937212011-09-19T22:40:49.519+01:002011-09-19T22:40:49.519+01:00Perhaps the introverted geeky geomorphology expert...Perhaps the introverted geeky geomorphology experts are so absorbed in their specialist studies that they literally DON'T NOTICE the flamboyant trendy extrovert non-experts making outlandish statements? [You mentioned a very strange and even bizarre psychological and sociological phenomenon in your last paragraph, so I am following your line of thought]. There's nowt so queer as folk.Tony Hnoreply@blogger.com