tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post1309153314133970960..comments2024-03-28T22:13:17.139+00:00Comments on Stonehenge and the Ice Age: So Newgrange Neolithic "solstice sunbeam" engineering is a con?BRIAN JOHNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-37613372573251351512016-12-24T21:01:21.126+00:002016-12-24T21:01:21.126+00:00Confirmation Irish Passage Tombs ARE Neolithic, No...Confirmation Irish Passage Tombs ARE Neolithic, November 2016 rock art discovery revealed with special photographic techniques:-<br /><br /><br />www.thejournal.ie/megalithic-art-hellfire-club-passage-tomb-3059138-Nov2016/TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-48234303447932173702016-12-24T19:22:55.432+00:002016-12-24T19:22:55.432+00:00Great FUN!Great FUN!Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-11021837303431195232016-12-23T16:41:35.250+00:002016-12-23T16:41:35.250+00:00Fine fun and games! Here is a part of the backlas...Fine fun and games! Here is a part of the backlash:<br /><br />http://www.thejournal.ie/neolithic-showdown-3155424-Dec2016/<br /><br />Will somebody sue on behalf of Prof O'Kelly? Getting exciting.....BRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-61009741280650052762016-12-23T14:11:58.608+00:002016-12-23T14:11:58.608+00:00If you read the paper there is very little on the ...If you read the paper there is very little on the light box reconstruction it mainly concerns itself with the IA and Roman litter around the site.<br /><br />The dogs and other bones may be modern. It looks as if the contexts are difficult to determine but the boys are correct there is much post-Neolithic messing. It is true that more emphasis has been placed on Newgrange and the 'Secondary Neolithic' to use old money<br /><br />Unlike the Daily Mail-reporting reports and your gloss on it, the real paper and its data and conclusions are more guarded.<br />The famous white qtz facade is believed to be from the Wicklows MUCH to the south of the Newgrange.<br /><br />M<br />MoAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-90245129491394118292016-12-22T23:09:26.240+00:002016-12-22T23:09:26.240+00:00Oh dear -- here we go again! Quote from Tony: &q...Oh dear -- here we go again! Quote from Tony: "One contributor, landscape writer Anthony Murphy, said there would have been 200 to 400 journeys along the River Boyne with 3 to 4 tonne rocks to Newgrange (which is just one of 3 passage tombs in this landscape). Sandstone probably came from 20 to 25 miles away to the NE, on the coast."<br /><br />What planet do these people live on? Newgrange is in one of the most intensely glaciated parts of the British Isles. I reckon that the ice might well have been well over 1000m thick on several occasions over the site of Newgrange, and the idea that any stone transport journeys at all were needed is pretty ludicrous. Monoliths could have come from almost any direction except south. They just needed to be collected up. There is abundant literature on glaciation and erratic transport in the Boyne valley -- this is a simple summary:<br /><br />http://www.geocases1.co.uk/printable/Glacial%20and%20fluvoglacial%20deposits%20in%20the%20Boyne%20Valley%20Ireland.htmBRIAN JOHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413447032454568083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-71559185190986727132016-12-22T22:19:19.723+00:002016-12-22T22:19:19.723+00:00Radio 4 had an excellent "Open Country" ...Radio 4 had an excellent "Open Country" programme at 3 p.m this afternoon, "Winter Solstice at Newgrange". The usual presenter, Helen Mark, was stunned to observe the rising sun illuminating the Newgrange inner passage.<br /><br />It is repeated Christmas Eve [Saturday], at 6.07 a.m. so set your devices, folks!<br /><br />The late Professor O'Kelly [mentioned in Irish Times article Brian has summarised] was the first person to see the light break through in modern times - not sure whether that was pre - reconstruction, anyone know? Anyone been inside?<br /><br />One contributor, landscape writer Anthony Murphy, said there would have been 200 to 400 <br /><br />journeys along the River Boyne with 3 to 4 tonne rocks to Newgrange (which is just one of 3 passage tombs in this landscape). Sandstone probably came from 20 to 25 miles away to the NE, on the coast.<br /><br />Earth sods from the construction of Newgrange came from nearby cultivated fields.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-69763510887660370402016-12-22T22:14:34.012+00:002016-12-22T22:14:34.012+00:00Radio 4 had an excellent "Open Country" ...Radio 4 had an excellent "Open Country" programme at 3 p.m this afternoon, "Winter Solstice at Newgrange". The usual presenter, Helen Mark, was stunned to observe the rising sun illuminating the Newgrange inner passage.<br /><br />It is repeated Christmas Eve [Saturday], at 6.07 a.m. so set your devices, folks!<br /><br />The late Professor O'Kelly [mentioned in Irish Times article Brian has summarised] was the first person to see the light break through in modern times - not sure whether that was pre - reconstruction, anyone know? Anyone been inside?<br /><br />One contributor, landscape writer Anthony Murphy, said there would have been 200 to 400 journeys along the River Boyne with 3 to 4 tonne rocks to Newgrange (which is just one of 3 passage tombs in this landscape). Sandstone probably came from 20 to 25 miles away to the NE, on the coast.<br /><br />Earth sods from the construction of Newgrange came from nearby cultivated fields.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-55587570749588330852016-12-22T20:16:55.196+00:002016-12-22T20:16:55.196+00:00On my way home to my true love this afternoon c.15...On my way home to my true love this afternoon c.1500hrs I was listening to a programme on <br /><br />Newgrange on Radio 4. <br /><br />The programme featured various members of the organisation now responsible for its upkeep <br /><br />and like those at EH entrusted with the upkeep of Stonehenge, they too appeared to have no <br /><br />knowledge whatsoever of alternative interpretations of their site. <br /><br />This afternoon at Newgrange The 5000 year solstice alignment was the only hypothesis on <br /><br />parade.<br /><br />Given the blinkered outlook of the staff at these and other major Archaeological sites, it <br /><br />would appear that a new collective description is required to describe their curators? <br /><br />Perhaps Brian would allow a contest to select one on this blog?<br /><br />I'll start the ball rolling. A "delusion" of Curators? A "Blind" of Curators? or an <br /><br />"ignorance" of curators? <br /><br />Look forward to other contributions!<br /><br /><br /><br />Alex Geenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-85836869630701757032016-12-22T14:01:57.033+00:002016-12-22T14:01:57.033+00:00I follow a site called Shadows and Stone which reg...I follow a site called Shadows and Stone which regularly has marvellous photos to enjoy.<br /><br />Just now is a site of the midwinter sun streaming into the chamber at Dowth. Coincidence? Unlikely ....chris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-20502333248594062242016-12-21T21:27:50.651+00:002016-12-21T21:27:50.651+00:00It all reads a bit semi - incestuous and Irish: ap...It all reads a bit semi - incestuous and Irish: apparently Mr Gibbons' nephew is also his brother, so he is, indeed to goodness!! Val Doonican would probably have sung a song about this whilst rocking in his rocking chair, wearing his seasonal Winter Solstice jumper, with leprachauns running amok around him.TonyHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1228690739485734684.post-47202350880780308462016-12-21T19:46:48.680+00:002016-12-21T19:46:48.680+00:00Pure coincidence that the passage is aligned to th...Pure coincidence that the passage is aligned to the solstice sun?? And at a time when we "know" that people were interested in such alignments? I think not - but then all people are entitled to make up stories, including archaeologistschris johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210890033354730381noreply@blogger.com